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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.9%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.8%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 37 18.9%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 24 12.2%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    196
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sptrawler said:
If people use their car to go to work, they will be charging overnight, if they charge at peak times(16.00-21.00) they add to the current problem.
If they can't discharge their batteries into the grid at peak times(16.00-21.00), they don't alleviate the current problem.
So the current peak demand problem still exists.
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Thats an easy fix, just offer good ev charging deals during off-peak times.

just because a person plugs in when they get home doesn't mean the car has to start charging straight away, my car is plugged in right now, but is scheduled to start charging at 6.30 in the morning, I can set it to car any time I like, if my power company offered an off peak deal that beat my solar, I would charge it at 1am.
 
SirRumpole said:
I wonder if parking stations will jump on the bandwagon by installing charging outlets . Shoppers usually spend more than the 40 minutes charging time in the shops and all day car parks would have no problems.
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A shopping centre near me installed a fast charger that can take a Tesla model 3 to 60% charge in 11 mins, its charge rate is 1200kms per hour.
 
04492227-8E3F-409D-8916-F93BCF14D0C8.png This is a screen shot of the Tesla app showing the status of my car, you can see I have 300km of range left in the battery, so no rush to charge so I have scheduled it to automatically begin charging at 6.30 each morning.

If It ever got really low and I needed it first thing in the morning, I would just set it to start charging at midnight, but daily top ups I prefer to do from the solar panels.
 
Value Collector said:
As for people that don't have a place to charge at home, these people also aren't likely to have a petrel station at home either, so are probably already visiting a fuel station every 7-9 days, all they would have to do is visit a public charger of power point instead of a petrel station once a week.
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Agreed - what the power industry is trying to work out is exactly how that plays out in practice.

That is, what's the actual change in load due to EV's? Total volume is pretty straightforward but the "when" aspect is the big one and that's not so clear.

A substantial portion will charge at home and coaxing them to do so outside the peaks is straightforward technically but considerably more difficult politically. It's the sort of thing that needs to be nudged in cautiously given the track record of such ideas blowing up politically.

How many will charge at public charging stations and when is the other big question. Sure, there are some in use now but it's a fair bet that early adopters of EV's may well use them differently to how the majority will use them so it may not be simply a case of scaling it up.

My own view on it all could be summed up as saying that I'm not overly interested in charging 10 EV's, that's easy, but I'm much more keen on the idea of charging 10 million of them and that's entirely doable but there's more to it than just plugging them in and expecting it to all work.

I'm probably 15 years too early yes but then I'm coming from the perspective of having seen how difficult it can be to convince those who need to be convinced before anything can be done with this sort of stuff. The technical side is the easy bit, dealing with politics, regulators and the media is where the pain arises.

Don't get me wrong though - it's happening, just not as quickly as I'd like it to. :2twocents
 
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Smurf1976 said:
Agreed - what the power industry is trying to work out is exactly how that plays out in practice.

That is, what's the actual change in load due to EV's? Total volume is pretty straightforward but the "when" aspect is the big one and that's not so clear.

A substantial portion will charge at home and coaxing them to do so outside the peaks is straightforward technically but considerably more difficult politically. It's the sort of thing that needs to be nudged in cautiously given the track record of such ideas blowing up politically.

How many will charge at public charging stations and when is the other big question. Sure, there are some in use now but it's a fair bet that early adopters of EV's may well use them differently to how the majority will use them so it may not be simply a case of scaling it up.

My own view on it all could be summed up as saying that I'm not overly interested in charging 10 EV's, that's easy, but I'm much more keen on the idea of charging 10 million of them and that's entirely doable but there's more to it than just plugging them in and expecting it to all work.

I'm probably 15 years too early yes but then I'm coming from the perspective of having seen how difficult it can be to convince those who need to be convinced before anything can be done with this sort of stuff. The technical side is the easy bit, dealing with politics, regulators and the media is where the pain arises.

Don't get me wrong though - it's happening, just not as quickly as I'd like it to. :2twocents
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I am yet to visit a public charger, most ev owners rarely use them, ofcourse we need for the rare occasion we will do road trips, for me that’s a few times a year.

But I think at least 99% of charging will be done at home, and that should be pretty easy to convince people to charge offpeak.
 
Macquack said:
VC, what is the maximum current drawn when you are charging your model 3 at home?
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It all depends on your set up, and whether you want to use a regular power point or your Tesla wall charger installed on a dedicated 15amp circuit or a 3 phase circuit.

If you just plug your portable charger into a standard wall outlet you will charge at 8A / 2kwh, this is the slowest option, but still totally fine for most people’s weekly driving.

But if you install the wall charger onto a dedicated circuit you can charge at up to 6kwh I believe, I haven’t had it installed yet.

I am not sure what the wall charger can draw if it’s hooked up to 3 phase.
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At the moment I am just using a standard power point, because we may be moving next year so I don’t want to waste money having the electrician install the wall charger, so I am just using the slower portable charger.

It’s charge rate is 12km/hour, so if you are the type of person that only burns a tank of fuel every 7 days of so, charging on the slow charger every night more than covers your needs.

If you burn 2 tanks of fuel a week, you will need to install the wall charger, or visit a public charger once or twice a month to top up if you slow charger isn’t keeping up.
 
7A5FFB47-23A8-416E-8A65-06E849B4AD07.jpeg E72902B4-44C9-44AC-A335-1DCA2D2DDED8.jpeg BE9D83BE-6AC2-4140-BB00-576C0C44EEE1.jpeg I haven’t even taken the wall charger out of the box yet,

But the booklet says it can pull 32A on 3 phase power, that’s a lot more than almost anyone would need.

So I reckon just hooking up the wall charger to a dedicated 20A circuit would be ideal, but as I said the portable 8A that plugs into a standard power point is fine for most people if you can’t install the wall charger for some reason.
 
qldfrog said:
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/10/0...epreciation-getting-slammed-by-tesla-model-3/
Indeed why buy a luxury bmw now? especially on lease...
Not my problem as i never bought aluxury car (fast paced depreciating asset)
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What makes me laugh, is the media say the downturn in car sales, is due to the economy.
My guess is, it is due to people thinking electric cars are just around the corner and there is little point in wasting money buying a new ice car.:D
So if people aren't buying new cars, don't need a new T.V or phone what consumables are they going to buy?
Probably the reason J.B's is doing o.k they sell the whole range of electronic gizmo's anyone wants.
I would be extremely carefull buying shares in this space.
 
If you have owned a Tesla for awhile, has its battery been able to hold as much charge now as when you first bought the car?
No. The loss of range is a constant effect of use and charging. My car was 265 miles range new, 260 when I bought it at 22,000 mile, and much lower now.
I use the supercharger almost daily when I am out, resulting in about 5 times the wear from fast charging for two years.
To avoid problems, since I last did a reset to check my battery, Tesla has initiated a software upgrade that resulted in a considerable reduction.
I am guessing on my reset this fall, I will be below 240 when I fill it.
I am not upset with this, as I consider it reasonable for my use, and am happy to have them oversee my battery health.
I am putting $50 a week away from my ‘car’ income to purchase a new battery and expect the cost to drop as fast as the savings rise.
When the car was made 5 years ago, the battery was probably well over $20,000 in cost, I am hoping to buy newer tech in a battery for half that if not less.
New batteries now have almost 400 miles of range and charge twice as fast.

From a Tesla owner.
 
noirua said:
If you have owned a Tesla for awhile, has its battery been able to hold as much charge now as when you first bought the car?
No. The loss of range is a constant effect of use and charging. My car was 265 miles range new, 260 when I bought it at 22,000 mile, and much lower now.
I use the supercharger almost daily when I am out, resulting in about 5 times the wear from fast charging for two years.
To avoid problems, since I last did a reset to check my battery, Tesla has initiated a software upgrade that resulted in a considerable reduction.
I am guessing on my reset this fall, I will be below 240 when I fill it.
I am not upset with this, as I consider it reasonable for my use, and am happy to have them oversee my battery health.
I am putting $50 a week away from my ‘car’ income to purchase a new battery and expect the cost to drop as fast as the savings rise.
When the car was made 5 years ago, the battery was probably well over $20,000 in cost, I am hoping to buy newer tech in a battery for half that if not less.
New batteries now have almost 400 miles of range and charge twice as fast.

From a Tesla owner.
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do teslas hold their value over 5 years?
 
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