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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    198
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JohnDe said:
Germany is in recession.
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And EV are not ROI otherwise people would fight for them to save money
One thing i found interesting while in Italy France:
You as retail do not buy EVs, you lease them meaning you take a 3,5,7 y lease which means you do not care about resale value, battery dying or all the other buggers.
Which means you are buying purely on costs/roi & convenience
It was hard to actually find an EV full purchasing price, never mentioned in ads.

Note..i know, i am sure you can find a tesla pricing on a website.
Range is quite relative as well when you can leave work on friday arvo in paris and party in the evening in Cologne
So EU is a special market
I expect the same in Germany
And the second fact to consider is than bmw and mercs are std cars in germany.
Not luxury
A factory blue collar catpark is mostly bmw/merx
So tesla or ice, high end features will be similar for most
Hope it helps
 
mullokintyre said:
and?
As the article states, German car sales in general are down 1% on 2023.
EV,s are down 13z.
Its not the recession that cut sales.
Mick
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Ok, I read differently but there are always many reasons.

Dirk Kaufmann​
01/02/2025January 2, 2025​
The German auto industry was in crisis mode last year, amid stuttering sales of electric vehicles in Europe and falling demand for fossil-fuel-driven cars in China. Will it survive another year in the doldrums?​
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Going into 2025, the German economy remains stuck in recession, with a crisis in the country's all-important automotive industry significantly contributing to the downturn.​
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Europe's biggest carmaker, Volkswagen (VW), for instance, is planning to cut thousands of jobs in Germany over the next few years.Mass layoffs are also on the horizon at other German automakers, affecting many of the industry's multiple suppliers.​
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The current state of affairs in the German car industry is plain to see for everyone, but opinions diverge when it comes to identifying the causes of the crisis...........​
 
SirRumpole said:
Quite a long video (52 mins), but interesting if you are thinking of buying a 2025 Tesla Model 3.


My humble opinion is that self drive should be banned.

If people can't drive they should be taking taxis or public transport.
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Here is a real-life example of the current version of full self-drive -

 
Is there any data on value loss of EV's after they go out the door? I assume it's more than ICE cars. I suppose there needs to be a second hand market to get this data, and I'm not sure if this exists at the moment.

Maybe up to 5 years they're worth picking up at a discount, with 15 years left on the battery?

I"ve just done a basic search on a Tesla Model 3 comparing new to second hand and have this:





So, the Long Range loses about half after 5 years and 50K kms. That doesn't seem too bad.
 


During the Covid years I could have sold my 2921Tesla M3LR for a $10000 profit. Resale is all dependent on market conditions.

As for range, I have lost 10 km since I purchased. Today I had t to do an emergency run to our rental apartment and back home on a 2/3 charge, 320km round trip. Getting home on 7%.

The ease and benefit of charging from home outweighs all other issues.
 
Note in Europe, you do not do outright buy, leasing only, remove the angst about battery and resale.
I have been told there are no buyers gor the second hand market
For car similar to yours in france, just checked now: from main second hand car media "la centrale"

Around 19-20k euro for 50 to 70,000km , T3 2020 model
In AUD:below 33k
 
For comparison, current model Tesla T3(long range) is 44490 euros or 73800 AUD so very similar
And i should rephrase: not leasing only but leasing mostly .. i do not believe Tesla sell on leasing from manufacturer
 
EV as a cult sometimes, a local example here:
What better test case where not to use battery but directly grid connection, yet , when paid by the taxpayers, why not be a fanatic...

New battery-powered light rail vehicles slip quietly into service | Riotact

Four of five new battery-powered light rail vehicles are now in Canberra and two are already in work on the…
the-riotact.com
 
I don’t know how you expect the train to run without a battery considering the new sections of line it will be used for are “wire free”.

1. Have you looked at the costs of having a battery vs installing kilometres of high voltage line?

2. Have you weighed up the cost savings of being able to charge off peak vs buying whole sale electricity during peak times?

3. Have you factored in the benefits of operating during grid outages?

No, I don’t think you considered any of these factors, you are just anti battery.
 
SirRumpole said:
Europe, Japan and China have restarted development of the internal combustion engine.

EV sales are falling.

Are EV manufacturers going in the wrong direction?

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Remember in the early days of this thread, we were talking about EV's and autonomous driving vehicles, will allow them to require less safety features and maybe they could be made from extruded recycled plastic materials, well as the guy says they have gone the other way and added the weight of a battery to an already heavy car.
Even my Kona which is a small car weighs nearly 2 ton.
Obviously it is a work in progress, but again Govt's need to be realistic with ADR rules surrounding EV's, if they want them to be practicle city vehicles that people will buy.
To get better range they need to reduce weight and size, after all people ride motorbikes and small scooters around, so cars like the Renault Twizy should be allowed to be sold.
It is like everything the Governments do, poorly thought out and poorly implemented.
City cars need to be re classified, so that smaller more practicle ones can be introduced IMO.

Renault Twizy - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org
 
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