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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%

  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%

  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%

  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%

  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%

  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%
  • Total voters
    198
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sptrawler said:
Remember in the early days of this thread, we were talking about EV's and autonomous driving vehicles, will allow them to require less safety features and maybe they could be made from extruded recycled plastic materials, well as the guy says they have gone the other way and added the weight of a battery to an already heavy car.
Even my Kona which is a small car weighs nearly 2 ton.
Obviously it is a work in progress, but again Govt's need to be realistic with ADR rules surrounding EV's, if they want them to be practicle city vehicles that people will buy.
To get better range they need to reduce weight and size, after all people ride motorbikes and small scooters around, so cars like the Renault Twizy should be allowed to be sold.
It is like everything the Governments do, poorly thought out and poorly implemented.
City cars need to be re classified, so that smaller more practicle ones can be introduced IMO.
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Renault Twizy - Wikipedia

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Remember my ev city cars pictures from Europe.
These can be an actual gap filling market, but not $60k EV for mortgage belt cash strapped aussies
 
SirRumpole said:
Europe, Japan and China have restarted development of the internal combustion engine.

EV sales are falling.

Are EV manufacturers going in the wrong direction?

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Who is this guy, all I can find about him is -

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No wonder we’re in such a mess, people just jump on anything that supports their narrative without thinking about research and responsibility.
 
JohnDe said:
That’s exactly how the woke left responded to any kind of protest against disinformation.

Make a claim with dubious evidence, and then shut anyone down that question it.
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So please explain John: i have not even watched the video but IMHO, your reaction is "misguided".
Are facts and number quoted wrong.?
Anyway, you are living the EV dream , good on you.
 
qldfrog said:
So please explain John: i have not even watched the video but IMHO, your reaction is "misguided".
Are facts and number quoted wrong.?
Anyway, you are living the EV dream , good on you.
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Then why are you commenting?
 
JohnDe said:
Then why are you commenting?
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Because i see an attack on a man, shoot the messenger, and whatever the man, the idea, the subject it is wrong and disappointing from you : you are not usually at that level.
And the reason i specified i had not even watched..i do not really care what he says , whether i agree or not.
But hey, you are free to play the man, our media are doing that endlessly.
 
qldfrog said:
Because i see an attack on a man, shoot the messenger, and whatever the man, the idea, the subject it is wrong and disappointing from you : you are not usually at that level.
And the reason i specified i had not even watched..i do not really care what he says , whether i agree or not.
But hey, you are free to play the man, our media are doing that endlessly.
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Blah blah blah. You are doing the same thing as what I mentioned above, and you don’t even realise.

That is why the world has changed to the point that you have to complain about it.

someone asks a question and the vocal minority responds with aggression.

I asked a simple question “who is the guy” I would like to know about the person making claims about the car industry, which is 7 months old.

And I show all I could find, from his own YouTube channel.

A reasonable person would either answer if they have an answer, or ignore if they don’t.

That’s how civilised discussion works.
 
qldfrog said:
Ev sales in oz..was surprised by ranking
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Tesla sedan Model 3 as per above post also, looks in trouble.
You can buy the MG64 essence which is the top of the range version that has everything for $47,000-$53,000. Or the shorter range basic version excite for $35,000.
Very competitive with Tesla and Hyundai whom I rate the top two non Chinese competitors.

Where is Toyota?
New 3rd generation Nissan leaf due this year so sales may be a run out.
 
Knobby22 said:
Tesla sedan Model 3 as per above post also, looks in trouble.
You can buy the MG64 essence which is the top of the range version that has everything for $47,000-$53,000. Or the shorter range basic version excite for $35,000.
Very competitive with Tesla and Hyundai whom I rate the top two non Chinese competitors.

Where is Toyota?
New 3rd generation Nissan leaf due this year so sales may be a run out.
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Thanks, that could explain the leaf indeed
 
mullokintyre said:
Got the following email from Tesla Oz.
Must have a surfeit of Model 3's.
Pity that if I was going to buy a Tesla, it would be a model Y.
Mick
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Yes a friend is in the panel beating business, he showed me a video he took of a paddock load of Teslas.
The new models coming out must be putting a bit of pressure on to move the excess stock.
 
Likely raised already but I didnt know this

Tesla to lose millions as Stellantis ends CO2 credit buying deal​


Posted onMay 07, 2021
Stellantis, the carmaker formed earlier this year by the merger of Fiat Chrysler and PSA, has revealed that it no longer needs to buy emission credits from Tesla, which will result in millions of dollars of loss for the US group.
Stellantis said it expects to be carbon compliant in Europe this year with the help of its electric vehicle models. In 2019, Fiat Chrysler (FCA) entered into a deal with Tesla to pool credits to pass tough European carbon dioxide rules. It agreed to pay Tesla for the credits it got to offset the emissions from its own line-up.
But, now the Stellantis merger of Fiat Chrysler and PSA means that they can comply with the EU emission norms, according to chief executive Carlos Tavares.

Tesla made $518m selling credits in the last quarter while reporting a net profit of $438m. This only represents 6% of Tesla’s revenue, but the proceeds come with no inherent cost, so turnover directly translates into profit. Without these credit sales, Tesla’s last six quarters would not have posted such good numbers.

For Tesla, with its electric vehicles, seeing credit has been a lucrative business. The company made around $1.6bn selling credits across the world during 2020 alone.

Credits often account for much or all of the group’s profitability as it struggles to break even in its electric car sales.

www.industryleadersmagazine.com

Tesla to lose millions as Stellantis ends CO2 credit buying deal

Stellantis, the carmaker formed earlier this year by the merger of Fiat Chrysler and PSA, has revealed that it no longer needs to buy emission credits from Tesla, which will result in millions of dollars of loss for the US group.
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IFocus said:
It was more about Tesla making most of its profits from selling credits.
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Good point, I think things have changed a bit since then, the whole EV scene is slowing a lot.

The early uptake has been absorbed and the Governments seem to be losing a bit of enthusiasm, so it will be interesting to see where it heads, plug in hybrids are the go at the moment.

So it will be interesting to see if the credits system stays the same, because there seems to be a softening of enthusiasm for pure EV's even from the Govt's, I think at lot of reality is catching up with the politicians.

For example I wanted to upgrade my solar at the unit from 1.6kW to 5kW, synergy want me to install a 3kW export limiting device.

Well if the distribution can't cope with me exporting 5kW, what if everyone in the complex bought an EV and put a 7kW charger on the wall?

Good question? Your a sparky and that is only one group of units in the immediate vicinity, there are heaps of units close by. Lol
 
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