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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    198
The European automotive industry is in a lot of pain. And the Albanes labor government think that they can force create a renewables industry when they can't even support our last wind tower manufacturer



The company’s flagship battery gigafactory in Sweden, Northvolt Ett. Image: Northvolt.
 
I also have my eyes on a Model Y LR.
Do you have any stats on the amount of power used per 100KM's at highway speeds (100 or 110)?
I desperately need range not performance.
Mick
 
The outgoing Biden administration have thrown EV maker Rivian a lifeline by chucking in 6billion to finish an EV factory in Georgia.
From ENERGY .GOV


THE project had been shelved back in March in an effort to cust the mounting losses.
It remains to be seen whether the investment is ill founded or not.
Below are the annual sales for Rivian (Pickup and SUV combined) .
It would appear they may have plateued.
Some stats from Care Edge



Either way they are minuscule compared to the sales of teslas.




Mick
 
I also have my eyes on a Model Y LR.
Do you have any stats on the amount of power used per 100KM's at highway speeds (100 or 110)?
I desperately need range not performance.
Mick
Not really sorry. But my wife is heading down south on Friday, I will get back to you.

We didnt really need the range, I just wanted it for the extra speed. I am not a car person, drove a 2012 Rav for the last 10 years, but I love pulling out of round abouts a bit quick (up to the speed limit) but not having a car making heaps of noise.

I was going to get the performance, but there was a price drop on the LR and no performance which made it a bit to hard to justify.

If BTC keeps pumping, I might get acceleration boost package haha
 
Came across this on another forum. Its a response from one of BYDs graphite suppliers to a demand for a further 10% cut in prices by the supplier from Jan 1 2025

 
Seems China's EV industry is very much under pressure.


Technology
Hyperdrive

China’s EV Makers Taking Longer to Pay Bills Amid Rising Stress​

  • Nio taking some 295 days to pay suppliers, up from 197 in 2021
  • Smaller suppliers to feel particularly harsh knock-on effects
 
I had a bit of range anxiety over the weekend, more of a joke between me and family rather than fear.

Last Friday morning we had to drive up to our investment apartment on the coast. left in the morning with 98% charge, drove 350km there and back, got changed and then had to go to the city for dinner with sister and brother in-law that work in the city, they catch the bus in from the outer suburbs, so we dropped them off home 60km round trip. When we got home at about 12am, we forgot to plug in the Tesla.
Next day the available charge was at 14%, and my wife had errands to do with the Tesla. late afternoon I managed to plug it in but only for a 20km top up charge before my wife had to go on another errand.
That night we had an industry, Gala Dinner; I picked up work colleague and the four of us drove into the city on 10 % charge.
We arrived home with 6% to spare.

The reason that I wasn't too concerned was because we were in a built-up area, and I have roadside assist. I also know that the smart EVs will start shutting down accessories to save energy to increase range, but we did not get to that stage.

Saturday night, or Sunday morning, about 12-12:30am I plugged in the Tesla. At 10:30am we went to the shops, and did not plug the car back in until 8:30pm. Because we haven't got a dedicated charger and only use the supplied 10A unit, the charge top-up this morning was at 60% before unplugging and using it. But that is more than enough for local driving, and if we wanted, could drive it for the week without plugging in again.

We completed a total of 475km on one charge, with 6% remaining.

 
EV sales for the year so far.
Most have seen a fall off in sales from June thru to November.
From the Driven


Vehicle sales in general have been lower for five out of the last six months MOM, so it is not just EV's sales that are falling.
Mick
 
Anyone wanting a Cybertruck in Australia will have to wait a few years.

Musk said costs and regulation were why the Cybertruck, priced from about $US80,000, will be a US-only vehicle for the time being.
“We did design the car to North American requirements, because if you start going with a superset of all international requirements, it forces a lot of constraints on the Cybertruck that would make the product, frankly, worse,” Musk told investors in June.
“So I think we’ll need to make a special version that is, for example, China-compliant or Europe-compliant.
“But it really doesn’t make sense to add that complexity until we’ve achieved a higher-volume production on the Cybertruck. There’s still a lot of work to do on driving costs down for the Cybertruck. The level of difficulty of going from, say, a prototype…to production…is 100 times harder, and then once you reach production, to improve the price by 20 per cent, like, the cost of goods by 20 per cent, is harder than reaching production in the first place.”

 
Can't imagine why anyone in OZ would want a Cybertruck.
But I am sure there is someone out there with sufficient ego and money to prove me wrong.
Mick
 
Can't imagine why anyone in OZ would want a Cybertruck.
But I am sure there is someone out there with sufficient ego and money to prove me wrong.
Mick

Same reason someone would want a Ferrari, or a classic car that is useless as an everyday car, or Harley Davidson.

It’s called choice and individuality.
 
Interesting comparison:
40y old 205 petrol having done 145000km
Vs tesla 84 kwh battery
In France where co2 per kwh is not too bad due to nuclear
The 205 will have emitted 16 tons C02 on the 40y long lifetime
The Tesla mostly thru the battery building cost, And with the need for 4 to 5 batteries will have produced 85t of co2
Sure sure not same car, etc. But unless yiu fully charge on solar, your EV will most probably produce more co2 than many other cars.
The 205 was consuming 4.8 l per 100km so hybrids would do even better.
EV are not the answer to reducing overall CO2..not that we should care but that is the crusade
https://www.facebook.com/
 
So you are comparing it to a car that only drove 3,000km over its life?

Most petrol cars do a lot more that 3000 kms per year, and don’t last 40 years.

Obviously the battery emits more carbon during its production, but every km drive. Closes that gap, and most cars do a lot more than 140,000km over 40 years.

Not to mention that when their batteries are recycled, the second generation batteries will be much lower carbon.
 
SAIC, the parent company of MG ,are planning on releasing a new vehicle that has two radical features.
A 10,000 km's range and a solid state battery.

Mick
 
SAIC, the parent company of MG ,are planning on releasing a new vehicle that has two radical features.
A 10,000 km's range and a solid state battery.
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Mick
It will be great when we actually start seeing these cars, rather than just hearing the hype.

From the figures of 123.7kWh battery doing 1,000km, that isn't much better energy density than the current Li ion batteries, hopefully they are lighter and smaller packs.

My car has a 64kW battery and 500km is achievable in perfect conditions, so unless the pack size is considerably smaller or lighter, it isn't earth shattering news.
 
It is ,
Solid state battery,,
So longevity , no crazy fire risk, no need to to write off the whole car for a small bang in a car park and speed charging
 
It is ,
Solid state battery,,
So longevity , no crazy fire risk, no need to to write off the whole car for a small bang in a car park and speed charging
Yes we have been hearing about the solid state batteries for quite some time, it is sounding like SMR's, just around the corner.
 
I am not anti EV ( i will buy one at some stage ) , i am not anti TSLA . I just cant be bothered talking to zealots . savvy . Now run along

Sorry but can't help myself, when people are rude and dismissive to other opinions. And that includes those that support you with love emojis. There is no need to belittle other people's opinions, especially when hiding behind a username on a forum.






 
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