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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    198

“I think autopilot has saved our lives. It’s probably the one singular reason we went for another Tesla. I genuinely do think it’s saved our lives, we’re so sleep-deprived. It does need supervising like a toddler with scissors — on occasion it tries to drive you off the road for no good reason. But the cognitive load it takes off your shoulders, it makes long drives in particular much more enjoyable and relaxing.”
 
I did not want to look like a smug and decided against adding this to the initial post
but let's go:
my 1/5th of the cost MG zst has an autopilot, keep me on the lane, actively, slow down and accelerate to maintain distance with preceding car while on cruise control, read speed sign and does emergency braking..faster than i do..
Only did it hard once, justified.i have not tested it yet on cyclist pedestrian and would like to..but you understand my reluctance.;-)
So far, it has never tried to veer me off the road
Basically, just buy a modern car.
And i am sure this is not unique if on a cheapest chinese car
Save $75k and get $3.5k of return a year for petrol and annual service.
 

If you haven’t experienced it, you don’t know.

The Tesla uses an AI and 7 cameras to monitor driving conditions. It assess situations like a car coming through a side road at speed, or a pedestrian about to step onto the road in a dangerous manner. Long distance drives in a Tesla is different to other vehicles, because the assistance takes a large load off of the driver.

I drove an MG top of the range for a week in Tasmania. Build quality was good, technology was good, the turbocharged engine and transmission configuration was a nightmare for Tasmanian hills. Did my head in, one minute it’s lacking power as the turbo lags and transmission is in wrong gear, the next it’s screaming its guts out as the turbo cuts in and the transmission has dropped a gear.

A Tesla has no gears, just smooth strong torque.

The AI system and the data collected by Tesla is one of the reasons it’s not just a car company.
 
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Sure, but what i mean is that tesla is not the only one where driving is just holding hands on wheels..as it screams otherwise, and let go...
And do not forget we are comparing a 20k vs an 100k car.
Just got driven last week in a top of range merx, and was not impressed by the screens, assistance etc for a car which is even more expensive than the tesla.
All that to say that tesla is not that ahead vs competition in term of semiautonomous driving..
And this is all we can do here, they are probably years ahead for fully self driven but my understanding is that it is not allowed here....so who cares for the time being
I will not shed a tear for that lady, who bought a luxury status, second hand, which ended a lemon, no better than the hummer @Knobby22 and I were joking about.
And i am also nearly sure a 2024 tesla would be a different story
 

I've got a Suburu Crosstreck Hybrid December 2023 (pretty lousy hybrid ability to be honest) but the semi autonomous technology is great
(and I believe developed by Tesla and given to the other manufacturers).

It has all round cameras, lane hold, can select how far you want to travel behind another car when cruising (it detects cars at a large distance), autonomous braking, holds you in the centre of the lane between lines, warning sensors for other cars and people that it detects around you etc if you try to do something, face detection when entering, lots of other warnings (some are annoying such as not holding the wheel enough or when you look sideways to adjust the radio or something ) and it's only a 50K car that is the base of the Subaru range.
I am wondering how it would go if a kangaroo jumped out in front.

I would assume the new Tesla would have some advances but wouldn't be surprised if Musk is keeping stuff in reserve for the autonomous future.
 
Agreed, that’s why EV’s are growing pretty fast in that space.
 

That’s not auto pilot that’s cruise control.

I can summon my Tesla from the other side of a carpark and it drives itself to me, and it doesn’t just lane keep, it over takes other slower cars, changes lanes to navigate, stops at red lights, merges off the freeway etc
 
I like motorbikes, and for the past 20 years my favourite style has been the cafe racer. I have looked, I have thought about it but never purchased, and eventually my dream faded.

This new electric bike has me mightily interested again. Hopefully they come down under.


 
Those were the days -

  • Holden launched the EH in 1963 and shifted 250,000 units in just 18 months, making it the fastest-selling car of all time in Australia (in comparison, in 2012 Holden sold 30,000 Commodores).
  • There was a kind of Mad Max-ness about the road toll in 1964. With a national population of just over 11 million, 2966 people died on our roads. That’s a death rate of 26.6 per 100,000 head of population; by 2023 that rate had fallen to 4.8 (or 1266, out of a population of 26.6 million).
Soon we won't have to drive, we'll let the cars AI take us -
  • If you dare to visit the US and hire a full self-driving-equipped Tesla, you won’t even need to drive, as these cars have an Autopilot mode that can negotiate freeways, intersections and busy streets, all with no input from you.



The bestselling EH Holden.

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THEN: Road trips in 1964 Australia were hedonistic and thrilling adventures, with effectively no speed limits, no seatbelts and certainly no policemen holding radar guns (Victoria introduced the first speed camera in 1985). Drivers were most likely behind the wheel of Australia’s bestselling car at the time, the EH Holden, which had brakes, but not good ones, and cross-ply tyres with all the grip of a cat on linoleum. Nor did it have crumple zones or power steering. Holden launched the model in 1963 and shifted 250,000 units in just 18 months, making it the fastest-selling car of all time in Australia (in comparison, in 2012 Holden sold 30,000 Commodores). Windows were furiously wound down in summer because airconditioning was not an option, and you’d be simmering in a puddle of sweat on the slick vinyl bench seats. NSW had a “prima facie limit” of 80km/h in rural areas (the state set a limit of 56km/h for city streets in 1964), but police would enforce it only if they decided your speed was “excessive or dangerous”. There was a kind of Mad Max-ness about the road toll in 1964. With a national population of just over 11 million, 2966 people died on our roads. That’s a death rate of 26.6 per 100,000 head of population; by 2023 that rate had fallen to 4.8 (or 1266, out of a population of 26.6 million). Seatbelts, first made compulsory in 1970 in (you guessed it) Victoria (it was the first government in the world to do so), were a hell of an invention. In short, driving was hugely dangerous compared with today, but it was how we holidayed anyway, lolling across the back seat while our parents – who’d possibly had a few drinks (random breath testing wasn’t introduced until 1976, in Victoria of course) – argued over a paper map. And it was cheap; petrol was about 8c a litre.


Electric vehicles are a growing segment of the car market. Picture: Getty Images

NOW: Australians might have had a love affair with the EH Holden back in 1964, but today we tend to buy multiple cars, and the bigger the better. In the 60s, Australians were buying about 400,000 cars a year, and choosing between fewer than a dozen mainstream brands. Today we have more than 60 marques competing for sales of 1.2 million a year. While all of our relatively noisy passenger cars in 1960 were running on leaded fuel (phased out in Australia on January 1, 2002), today it’s possible to drive in eerie silence while producing zero emissions thanks to the advent, and increasing popularity, of electric cars (just over 7 per cent of new-car sales were electric in 2023, up from 3 per cent the year before). Not only do we take passive safety features such as crumple zones and airbags (first arriving here in the early 90s) for granted, but modern cars have a feast of “active” safety features, such as automatic emergency braking, traction and stability control, and even lane-keeping assist. If you dare to visit the US and hire a full self-driving-equipped Tesla, you won’t even need to drive, as these cars have an Autopilot mode that can negotiate freeways, intersections and busy streets, all with no input from you. In San Francisco, you can jump in a fully autonomous taxi. Enthusiasts might well prefer the roads of 1964 to the non-driving ones of tomorrow.

 
Brother had an EH bought second hand was still driving it around his farm 30 years later
I drive a Tesla Model 3 now, but prior to that I owned a 1997 model commodore that I bought in 2004 second hand and drove until 2019 when I picked up the Tesla, So I know how much it costs to keep a petrol car on the road in Fuel and maintenance.

So far the Tesla has consumed a tiny fraction of the fuel costs over the last 60,000 kms, and it has only consumed $160 of maintenance (1x lead acid battery).

It’s going to be interesting to see how this plays out, I have my money on the Tesla.
 
The Pickup truck phenomenon in America really has to be seen to be appreciated.
After 10 weeks in the USA, it never ceases to amaze me how many of the things we saw, particularly outside of the urban areas.
Sales of the Cybertruck are going well, indeed according to This video,
According to the Ford Official Sales Figures , ford is on track to increase lightning sales to 30k by the end of this year.

The Rivian sales are a little hard to work out, as they limp the pickup R1T with the R1S which is a sedan.
Either way, the sales are falling .


Unfortunately for both Tesla, Rivian and Ford, the sales of F-150 lightnings were but 3% of the total F-150 sales.
Despite the increases, they are such a tiny part of the pickup truck fleet, they are in some ways just a blip.
If Trump gets in, a lot of the EV subsides will be gone.
It will make it less desirable for the average gas powered truck enthusiast to switch to an EV.
Mick
 
The Pickup truck phenomenon in America really has to be seen to be appreciated.
After 10 weeks in the USA, it never ceases to amaze me how many of the things we saw, particularly outside of the urban areas.
Its about the same ratio of Utes to SUV's and cars as we have here isn't it? 17% of vehicles in the USA are pickups. I spend a lot of time in the USA and while there is lots of Utes, its not really that much more than we have here, obviously the rural areas like the Dakotas and Wyoming etc have a higher ratio, but that would be the same in our rural areas to.

As I have pointed out before, pickups often hit the top of the best seller lists, but thats really just because the sales are concentrated into a couple of models, where as the other classes of vehicle have more variety of models, and the classes are broken down into subgroups.

eg- pickups all lumped into one group, but SUV's and cars separated out into different groups eg SUV and cross overs are listed separately, cars are broken up into Large, Midsized and compacts etc

The numbers are in: Americans bought a total of 15,549,907 new cars, trucks, and SUVs in 2023, what did Americans buy? Overwhelmingly, SUVs. Cars accounted for about 3.2 million sales, while pickups totaled almost 2.75 million. That means more than 12.3 million new SUVs hit America's roads last year, ranging from the $21,135 Hyundai Venue (29,327 sold) to the $348,000Rolls-Royce Cullinan (949 sold).

https://www.motortrend.com/news/best-selling-cars-trucks-suvs-in-america-2023/
 
Interesting article on Tesla owner demographics, I thought they would be younger upwardly mobile owners.
It seems they are generally upper middle class older dudes, who by statistics have a lot more accidents generally, well they are fast cars and who knows what the driver is up to.

From the article:
According to a recent study published by LendingTree, Tesla owners have the highest accident rate of 30 vehicle brands, with 23.54 accidents per 1,000 drivers. They got at this information by analyzing millions of insurance quotes. Only Tesla, Ram and Subaru owners had more than 20 accidents per 1,000 drivers.
 
Well Her car is a Subaru but touch wood no prangs in the last 15 years with the cars she has driven.
 
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