Mr Morrison said: 'I realised something was wrong when I was coming up to a roundabout and went to slow down but it failed to do so. Then I heard a loud grinding noise that sounded like brake pads. Because it was such a new car I knew it couldn't be a problem with them.
'I managed to get around the roundabout going at about 30mph, and then had a long road ahead of me, so I assumed it would stop without me accelerating but it didn't.
'I have mobility issues, so I couldn't even jump out - I was completely trapped inside the car going at 30mph.
'It might not sound like it is very fast, but when you have no control over the speed and you're completely stuck inside it's terrifying.'
M Morrison initially called his wife in a panic to ask her to come out and warn cars ahead of him that he was unable to stop.
After realising that he would soon have to navigate traffic lights and several roundabouts - and worried about crashing into pedestrians and pub-goers - he called 999.
'The car was just running away on its own, there was nothing I could do,' he said.
'When I dialled 999, they sent police to help and put some engineers on the line to try and solve the problem, and they were asking if it was a self-driving car.
'It was the first time that the call handlers had experienced the issue, and they had no idea what to do.
'So eventually three police vehicles arrived and were driving in front of me and behind me.
'I was 100% concentrating on my steering, so when a police van pulled up beside me and asked if I was Brian and if I was okay, I just yelled 'No I'm not, I can't stop'.'
Police initially told Mr Morrison to throw his electronic key through their van window before driving off - but this failed to disengage the engine.
They told him to try different ways of turning off the car, but these failed.
Eventually, they told Mr Morrison to deliberately drive into the back of their van before he got into a more built-up area.
Mr Morrison said: 'After trying to shut the car down, my entire dashboard lit up with faults, and then it all went away after a second and just had a big red car symbol that said 'drive safely, stop driving immediately' or something.
'I came up to a roundabout, which slowed the car down to about 15mph, and the police van was waiting for me on the other side.
I went into the back of the van while it was moving, before they put on the brakes to stop me.
'After that, a police officer jumped into my car and did something which seemed to keep the car still.
'After I got out though, they tried moving their van and the car kept going - so they had to sit with the van there for ages until the RAC got there.
'I still have no idea what happened, but when the RAC [mechanic] got to me about three hours later he plugged in the car to do a diagnostic check and there were pages of faults.
'He said he had never seen anything like it, and decided he was not willing to turn the engine on to see what was wrong.'
Here's something different.
A driver in the UK says he was kidnapped by his MG EV.
From The Daily Mail
Not sure how I would act in such a situation.
Not that i want to find out.
Mick
I wonder if these are teething problems that are a result of manufacturers having to comply with the new EU rules that are due in 2025, where all new cars have to be fitted with speed limit recognition and active speed control functions? When developing new control systems there are a lot of issues that were never accounted for in the design stages, you can only think of so many permutations when writing the code and the control can only respond to what code is written. When something out of the ordinary happens, problems follow, ATM computers can't reason out a problem.** Because it was such a new car I knew it couldn't be a problem with them. **
that was a brave assumption , just because it is new doesn't preclude things coming loose
happy to hear the driver get out alive .. 30 miles per hour through a busy intersection can be just as fatal as stopped at a wet intersection
That is very odd.
Has MG notified owners of the possible danger?
Has there been a recall?
Why didn't the hydraulic brake system work?
The brakes are independent of the electrical system, same principle as an ICEV
I'm keen to here more about this one. Not so keen of MG :-(
"The decision was made by police after 15 minutes, instructing me to crash into back of one of the police vans.."
I believe that this happened several days ago. Any damage to the front from mounting a round-a-bout and a police vehicle appear to have been completely repaired.
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This video was very similar to my experience. The car itself was pleasant to drive, there were a few odd non critical glitches and the settings were a hassle due to being overly electronic as opposed to intuitive and manual like older vehicles, and the biggest issue was getting to charging stations which were functioning.This guy sums up where the scalability of the EV's and practicability of the idea of making ICE engined vehicles obsolete by 20230 comes into play.
The expose on the Rivian is just an added bonus.
Mick
All things considered, definitely not worth it from a practical sense even considering cheaper fuel cost and lower maintenance. I got lucky but the potential to become stranded if a charging station is out of order and you don't have a second option is very real. If you don't care about total money spent or having to pay so much of the overall cost upfront, and you are only going to be driving within a charge's distance from home on any given day, then it is likely a good option, but otherwise I'd definitely be hanging back a few years before considering buying an EV... and I say that as someone with most of his money in lithium... because plenty of people are super keen to jump on the EV game even if it's not the most practical option. If the television says you're a good person and care about the environment if you buy an EV, many people will completely overlook the reality of the situation and gleefully take the opportunity to spend money for the excuse to pat themselves on the back.
Europe: Plug-In Car Share Surged To 30% In August 2023
The Tesla Model Y far outpaced other rechargeable cars, strengthening its position at the top.
In August, plug-in electric car sales in Europe increased quite noticeably, reaching the highest market share so far this year.
According to EV Volumes data, shared by Jose Pontes, in August, 270,356 new plug-in electric cars were registered in Europe, about 68 percent more than a year ago. That's about 30 percent of the total volume.
The all-electric car segment expanded even quicker with a surge of 106 percent year-over-year to almost 200,000 units, taking more than one-fifth of the market (22 percent). That's about three times more than in the United States.
Plug-in car registrations for the month:
- BEVs: *198,000 (up 106%) and 22% market share
- PHEVs: *72,000 and 8% market share
- Total: 270,356 (up 68%) and 30% market share
Plug-In Electric Car Sales In Europe – August 2023
So far this year, more than 1.9 million passenger plug-in electric cars have been registered in Europe, which is about 23 percent of the total market.
Plug-in car registrations year-to-date:
* estimated from the market share
- BEVs: *1.28 million and 15% market share
- PHEVs: *0.64 million and 8% market share
- Total: 1,945,828 (up 35%) and 23% market share
Top Plug-In Models
The Tesla Model Y noted a very strong month with 21,824 new registrations in August and once again securing the first position among rechargeable cars in Europe.
Interestingly, the Tesla Model 3 also was very strong with 11,998 new registrations, beating the top Volkswagen Group MEB-based models - Volkswagen ID.4 (8,439), Skoda Enyaq iV (8,075), and Volkswagen ID.3 (6,878). Nonetheless, it's worth noting that Volkswagen BEV sales improved recently.
Results for the month:
After the first eight months of 2023, the Tesla Model Y remains a lone leader, while the Tesla Model 3 returned to second position, slightly ahead of the Volkswagen ID.4.
- Tesla Model Y - 21,824
- Tesla Model 3 - 11,998
- Volkswagen ID.4 - 8,439
- Skoda Enyaq iV - 8,075
- Volkswagen ID.3 - 6,878
- MG 4 - 6,733
- Dacia Spring - 5,973
- Fiat 500 electric - 5,847
- Audi Q4 e-tron - 5,442
- Cupra Born - 5,205
Results in January-August:
- Tesla Model Y - 171,914
- Tesla Model 3 - 60,902
- Volkswagen ID.4 - 58,853
- Volvo XC40 (33,034 BEVs + 19,296 PHEVs) - 52,330
- Volkswagen ID.3 - 46,589
- Skoda Enyaq iV - 45,562
- MG 4 - 44,507
- Fiat 500 electric - 43,260
- Audi Q4 e-tron - 42,267
- Dacia Spring - 38,923
Top Brands And Automotive Groups
Tesla remains the most popular plug-in car brand in Europe, by registration volume, while the Volkswagen Group is beyond reach for any other automotive group (when counting BEVs and PHEVs together).
Top brands by share in the plug-in segment in January-August:
Top automotive groups by share in the plug-in segment in January-August:
- Tesla - 12.3%
- Volkswagen - 8.7%
- BMW - 8.1%
- Mercedes-Benz - 7.4%
- Volvo - 5.7%
- Audi - 5.3%
- Volkswagen Group - 20.4% share (Volkswagen brand at 8.7%)
- Stellantis - 14.0%
- Tesla - 12.3%
- BMW Group - 9.7% share (BMW brand at 8.1%)
- Mercedes-Benz Group - 8.3% (Mercedes-Benz brand at 7.4%)
- Hyundai Motor Group - 8.5%
- Geely–Volvo - 8.1%
“All things considered, definitely not worth it from a practical sense even considering cheaper fuel cost and lower maintenance.”
I’m the opposite, the $2000+ in fuel savings, not including maintenance savings, has been handy for me. I have been investing those savings.
Three years of ownership and I have not spent a cent on maintenance, add the approximate of $2000 per year in fuel savings and my investment account is looking a lot healthier than if I was driving an ICEV. Though I do have the benefit of being able to access some free charging.
Maybe my luck has been that I have only driven my EV around Australia, rather than overseas.
The 30 to 45 minute charge time doesn’t bother me, because I’m usually using that time for a toilet break, or to grab a snack or coffee, or just to take the time to look around the town.
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For me personally the biggest deal breaker is lack of charging locations, unreliability of charging stations, and the time required to charge. If you're happy to be forced to spend 30-45 minutes sitting around pretending to enjoy a coffee or 'exploring the town' (how much exploring are you honestly doing while your car is literally hooked up to a stationary machine which potentially needs to be checked during the charging process?) every time you charge the car, keeping in mind the car needs to be charged more often than an ICE vehicle needs refueling due to the limited range, hey, good for you, but that definitely isn't convenient for me and I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be for most people. Charging the EV really made me appreciate just how quickly a regular car can be refueled and have you back on the road.
At this stage it definitely seems that the majority of people with EVs are doing it because they love EVs or they want the pats on the back, prestige, outdoing the Joneses etc, and that being the case they'll sing the vehicle's praises because it's primarily about face.
but it has electric cars have been available since the early 1900s but the populations chose other energy sourcesThe only difference is that it won't take 100 years.
but it has electric cars have been available since the early 1900s but the populations chose other energy sources
i bit like nuclear energy , we have known how to do it for more than 50 years but NOW it is urgent ( think or all the limos that could have been electric in the past 40 years )
You save 3k a year but how much more did you have to pay initially ?.That is why I went with a Tesla. I did my homework, as a trained mechanic and coming from an engineering family, I found that Tesla have the best charging infrastructure in the country, and the best technology, engineering and reliability of all other makes. Three years and 44,000km across three states and not an issue with electrics or charging.
Range is a minor factor, if you choose the correct vehicle. And we are spoilt with the current ICE engines and their great technology. My VF SS-V V8 Ute's engine shuts down 4 cylinders when cruising, I can squeeze about a 1000kms out of a tank on the highway. But would I risk driving that long without a stop? No, not since I grew up.
I remember my first interstate trip in a Holden HJ Kingswood 3.3L, I was lucky to get 350km out of a tank. And my first new car, a 2004 Ford Territory could only manage about 750km on the highway. When I drove my VF V8 I was amazed at the excellent fuel consumption.
Electric Vehicles are going through the same thing that ICEV went through, improved technology gives improved consumption. The only difference is that it won't take 100 years.
As for EV owners patting themselves on the back, well why wouldn't you if your able to save $3000+ a year, which can either pay of your loans quicker or invest for a return.
I enjoy both my cars, the Aussie V8 for its style, sound and speed. And the Tesla for its style, speed and quiet drive. The SS-V will be in my garage until I'm too old to drive.
We have a holiday home on the coast, about 200km of country driving, the Tesla is the primary vehicle to get us there. I always use the self-driving feature for safety, and it also allows me to safely take my eyes off the road to look out all windows at the wonderful scenery of this great country. I've always preferred driving holidays, traveled to many regions of the country, the best drives I have had have been in the Tesla because of the self-driving feature. I arrived with greater knowledge having seen more of the country than when I have to have my eyes glued to the road.
EVs aren't just changing the way we re-fuel our cars, they are changing the way we drive with AI.
but the answer is simple there has been a place for electric vehicles 'forever ' there was no need to rush the development ( and research ) , not to mention laws and regulationsThat is a little simplistic, we’ve been through the reasons a few times.
You save 3k a year but how much more did you have to pay initially ?.
I could agree with all the other points but definitively, it would be dishonest to pretend that you save money going EV vs ice.
So far, and that may change, in the absence of massive subsidies here in Australia, EVs remain far more expensive than the equivalent ICEs from a least $20 $25k for the low side of the market to well over 40k ..
You'd better pile up a lot of annual $3k saving before your battery dies..and not counting the upfront money lost returns
but the answer is simple there has been a place for electric vehicles 'forever ' there was no need to rush the development ( and research ) , not to mention laws and regulations
i operated electric , and gas forklifts way back in the early '80s they were both commercially viable back then all you really needed was 40 years put into developing better batteries the charging infrastructure would have followed popularity
BTW wait until you have modern electric vehicles and CBDCs
Battery technology has been a primary speed bump in electric vehicle development since the first EV hit the streets more than 100 years ago. Creating and manufacturing rechargeable batteries with ample energy density to power mass-market electric cars has been in the works for decades. The technology in electric car batteries continues to improve, which extends how far EVs can travel, how quickly they recharge, and how much they cost.
Until the late 1960s, advancement in battery technology for electric cars was on the back burner because of an abundant gasoline supply. However, high oil prices and gas shortages in the early 1970s renewed interest in EVs, but they suffered from limited range and speed.
Environmental concerns in the 1990s prompted another surge of research and development for EVs. Today, many all-electric cars have a range of more than 300 miles and boast acceleration that can beat muscle cars. Manufacturers continue development to enhance EV battery performance and durability.
An electric vehicle promising relief from high petrol prices sounds all too familiar these days—but what about 40 years ago?
That reality was closer than you might think.
In the late 1970s, one of the companies at the forefront of the technology, British-based Lucas Industries, had begun developing commercial electric vehicles (EVs).
It promised: ‘by the mid-1980s, these high-performance electric commercial vehicles will cost less to own and operate than conventionally powered vans.’
One of these vehicles—a converted Bedford van—resides in the Museums Victoria collection, along with the company’s advertisements about its vision for the future.
‘It demonstrated the practicalities of converting a conventional commercial vehicle to fully electric operation,’ says Matthew Churchward, Museums Victoria’s senior curator of engineering and transport.
‘It proved that it wasn’t that bigger step.’
So, why did it take another four decades for electric vehicles to be widely accepted?
To answer that, we must go back even further.
The electric vehicle revolution...of the 1800s
Automobiles of the 1800s looked more like the horse-drawn carriages they replaced (minus the horses of course) than the cars we know today.
But it was not a foregone conclusion that they would be powered by an internal combustion engine (ICE).
Steam-powered (external combustion) vehicles had been around for more than 100 years by the time Karl Benz’s built his first Motorwagen in 1885, which is widely regarded as the first practical automobile.
And between these two titans of technology, the first electric vehicles began to turn their wheels.
The first prototypes appeared in the 1830s and were closely followed by full-sized wagons.
The invention of rechargeable lead-acid batteries by French physicist Gaston Planté in 1859 only improved their prospects.
Batteries proved useful in all sorts of endeavours that needed backup power, especially in the early days of electrification.
Around the turn of the century usable electric cars were well into production, including the German-made Flocken Electrowagen.
Household names like Ferdinand Porsche, Henry Ford, and Thomas Edison also tried their hands at the technology.
In the early 1900s, more than a third of cars on the road ran on batteries.
By contrast, only about one in five cars sold were powered by an ICE.
Part of the reason for this was that people had to start the engine with a hand crank—something that could (and often did) result in broken bones if the engine backfired.
Electric cars were seen as cleaner and easier to get going, which resulted in them being marketed almost exclusively to women.
An advertisement for the Detroit Electric Car, from 1912.
But EVs also had issues.
‘Partly it was the weight, the limited range, and the cost of the lead-acid batteries,’ says Matthew.
‘Probably those three factors spelled the death knell of electric vehicles in the 20th century.’
The lead-acid batteries used to power them were heavy and took a long time to charge.
To counter this, several companies introduced battery-swapping stations but, fundamentally, electric cars were slower than their petrol-powered competition and couldn’t travel as far.
Ironically one of the things that most helped to establish the ICE’s dominance over electric cars was an electric motor, as the starter motor eliminated the need for a dangerous hand crank.
Henry Ford’s mass production of cheaper petrol-powered cars, like the Model T, also made electric cars much more expensive by comparison.
While fuel shortages during World War I encouraged the use of EVs, it was short-lived.
‘After the First World War, they ramped up production of petroleum-based liquid fuels and made it more convenient and cheaper,’ explains Matthew.
‘The whole concept of refuelling your car becomes a five-minute job, as opposed to waiting several hours for your batteries to charge.
‘The whole transport economy became structured around the automobile.’
The result was that electric vehicles faded into obscurity in the following decades.
In Australia EVs never really found a foothold with manufacturers or drivers in these early years.
The first car ever built in Australia was a steam-powered car made by Herbert Thomson in 1898.
It was another 50 years before the country saw its first locally designed and mass-produced motor car in the shape of a petrol-powered Holden 48-215.
With cheap petrol Australians and Americans alike grew a fondness for big, powerful cars that used a lot of fuel.
Until access to that fuel became an issue.
Oil crisis: a golden electric vehicle opportunity?
While electric vehicles may have struggled to gain traction on Earth through most of the 1900s, they really took off for extra-terrestrial travellers.
Built by Boeing for Apollo 15 in 1971, the Lunar Roving Vehicle (LRV) allowed astronauts to get around on the surface of the moon.
Granted, LRVs only had a top speed of about 13 kilometres per hour, a range of 92 kilometres, and their silver-oxide batteries couldn’t be recharged.
The first one also cost US$38m to produce and they had to leave it behind.
NASA's Lunar Roving Vehicle on its first trip to the moon with Apollo 15 Commander David Scott. Photo: NASA.
Back on Earth, a few car companies dipped their toes back into the electrified pool but without much commercial success.
In 1973 the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC) cut off oil supplies to the USA, in protest for its support for Israel in the Yom Kippur war.
The resulting surge in oil prices caused fuel shortages and rationing in some parts of the world.
‘For the first time in decades people were starting to think about the cost of petrol and environmental factors,’ says Matthew.
It forced manufacturers to consider smaller, more fuel-efficient cars.
But it also presented an opportunity for electric vehicles, which is where the Lucas Bedford fits in.
‘It really was a response to the oil crisis,’ says Matthew.
Lucas targeted the commercial vehicle market, considering it ‘the greatest immediate potential for EV development’.
It started converting vans in 1973 and eventually built about 200 that were sent around the world.
One was even used by Prince Philip in London.
Four of these electric vehicles made it to Australia, where they were trialled on public roads and used in major events like the 1982 Brisbane Commonwealth Games.
It featured energy-saving features like regenerative braking, and a swappable battery pack.
Delivery drivers reported that the electric van was ‘very good to drive,’ and ‘accelerates well’.
While the drivers liked the regenerative braking, they also said it was ‘noisy’.
However, even with Lucas’ developments, the problems of earlier electric vehicles remained.
‘Compared to a petrol-powered van, the electric was more expensive,’ says Matthew.
Its range was also only 100 kilometres and top speed about 80 km/h.
‘With the limited range, commuting or delivery vehicles were the only real practical uses or electric vehicles at the time,’ says Matthew.
But that would all change.
Ionic charge
The answer to the electric car’s biggest weaknesses came in the form of lithium-ion batteries.
It is difficult to overstate how important these small, lightweight, energy dense cells have been to modern technological development—and not just in transport.
Chances are you have one in your hand or pocket right now.
So significant is the lithium-ion battery to modern civilisation that its inventors won the Nobel Prize in chemistry in 2019.
It was developed over several decades by Michael Whittingham, John Goodenough, and Akira Yoshino and first released commercially by Sony in 1991.
But it took another 17 years to make it into a car.
‘It was a case of waiting for other applications, like laptops and mobile phones, to develop the technology to the point where it could be used in cars,’ explains Matthew.
‘You need that insatiable demand to drive the technological change and development.’
As dire warnings of climate change multiplied, car manufacturers catered to an increasingly environment-conscious market with the introduction of mass-produced hybrid cars.
Hybrids have both a petrol and an electric motor, to reduce emissions and increase fuel economy.
The first was the Toyota Prius, launched around the world in 2000, but it still used the older battery technology.
Tesla became the first to use the newer lithium-ion cells in a production car in 2008—setting the benchmark for the decades to follow.
Tesla's Roadster, based on a converted Lotus sportscar, was the first commercial electric vehicle to use lithium-ion cells. Photo: Tesla Motors.
‘Lithium-ion batteries really tackle the big issues with electric vehicles—the weight and the range,’ says Matthew.
They can also recharge quickly, made all the easier by extensive networks of fast-charging infrastructure.
And the balance has shifted in costs too.
‘Electric motors are incredibly reliable, they don’t need a lot of maintenance,’ explains Matthew.
While EVs are still relatively expensive compared to ICE vehicles, they cost less to run overall.
However there are still considerations for the long-term future of electric vehicles and their components.
‘I think we’ll have to get much more serious about recycling for the longer term,’ says Matthew.
Despite the ongoing challenges, this time, it appears EVs are here to stay.
The electric vehicle future was promised decades ago, what happened?
Within Museum Victoria’s collections are thousands of examples of technology that have faded into obscurity, but the electric vehicle is one whose time has come again.museumsvictoria.com.au
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