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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    198
Early last year, workers at a Jeep factory hoped their plant would be converted to an electric vehicle facility as the auto industry revamps for a green-energy future. Engineers came to take measurements for a possible retooling, and rumors spread that electric sports cars were on the agenda.
But those hopes crumbled last month when the corporate parent company, Stellantis, ended production at the 58-year-old plant and laid off roughly 1,200 workers, ripping the heart out of this small town 70 miles northwest of Chicago.
As it embarks on its biggest retooling in a century, the auto industry has announced more than $70 billion of EV investments in the United States alone. That spending is already creating new pockets of prosperity in many parts of the country — and apprehension in the long-standing auto-manufacturing communities whose fates aren’t yet certain.


 

This Midwestern factory was dead. Electric vehicles revived it.

A sweeping retooling of the U.S. auto industry is underway, as companies modernize old factories and break ground on new ones

NORMAL, Ill. — When Mitsubishi closed its auto factory here in 2016, residents worried it would become another symbol of American manufacturing decline. Six years later, the plant is back in business with a radical Silicon Valley makeover.
 

It’s for practical reasons -

“Ford says a charging trailer like this could be used to move around a construction site, enabling one or more pieces of equipment to hook up to it via a cable. For example, it could be used to power an electric skid loader or crane when needed rather than having to send it back to a charger.”
 
“The ev shift will be a big transformation, there’s no denying that,” says Sato Tomoyoshi, JATCO’s ceo. “Our company will have to change drastically.”
So far, Japan and its carmakers are lagging in the race towards evs, the industry’s fastest-growing product area. Battery-powered electric vehicles and plug-in hybrids (phevs) accounted for around 13% of all cars sold globally in 2022, up from 2.6% in 2019. The firms pulling ahead in the ev race include newcomers, such as Tesla and China’s BYD, and established giants such as Germany’s Volkswagen.
Japan also made an early wrong turn with hydrogen.. While hydrogen may come to play a big role in decarbonising hard-to-electrify sectors, such as steel production or fuelling long-haul trucks, it has so far turned out to make little sense as a technology to electrify light consumer vehicles.

 
Nothing we havent said on here a couple of years ago, BEV's make sense, H2 only makes sense where heavy energy consumption, for long time duration is required.
That's why space X rockets aren't run on Tesla batteries, if they could, they would.
Also why people have to maintain a sense of perspective.
 

When deflation eventually hits, other auto makers will cut prices—but, in contrast, they won’t enjoy any benefits from the margin pressure that will come with it.

 
I just think the dream, is catching up to the reality and all aspects of the massive left narrative are hitting up against the reality of the cost.
Time will tell, but subsidies aren't free and the cost just keeps climbing.
Somethings got to give, I don't know what it will be, reduce the pace, or increase the pain of the rate of change.
I just hope I can nail the next gen E.V, before it implodes.
 
Another interesting issue regarding charging infrastructure.


The regional shire at the centre of WA's transition away from coal power has rejected a proposal to install electric vehicle (EV) charging stations, citing not enough consumer uptake in the area.
The Shire of Collie, two hours south of Perth, said the offer from EV charging company Sonic Charge to install 11 charging stations in the town could have left the shire with costly future liabilities.

Collie Shire president Sarah Stanley said the current demand for EV chargers was not enough to justify support for the proposal.

"We are a progressive community and we already have one EV charging station in town, which is perfectly adequate for serving the number of EV vehicles that we have right now," she said.

Shire officers said the existing station currently operated at a loss due to "extremely low" usage by the community.

That was despite various incentive programs on offer from the state and federal governments to boost the uptake of electric vehicles.

Collie Shire officers said they thought the proposal meant council would be expected to take full responsibility for maintenance, operation and billing after a three-year term.

Ms Stanley stressed that it would not be feasible for the small shire to take on those costs.

"We are also very concerned about taking on more liabilities that future residents need to fund," Ms Stanley said.
 
Collie Shire president Sarah Stanley said the current demand for EV chargers was not enough to justify support for the proposal.
Is there any truth to the rumour that Sarah Stanley is related to King Canute?

Data published by the Federal Chamber of Automotive Industries new-car industry body reports 43,092 electric vehicles as sold over the first half of 2023, an increase of 345 per cent compared to the first half of last year.

What the above data does not show is a slew of new EVs coming into our market, including offerings at that are actually affordable at the base level.

You can look across the world and see the trend that Sarah Stanley is blind to. Here's the latest news from Europe:
  • Battery-electric passenger-car sales jumped 55% in June
  • Tesla doubles number of EVs sold in Europe from last year
 
I think we will be all driving EV soon because we won't be able to buy anything else but we do have unique problems here in Oz

I saw this photo on another forum, taken at Sandfire Roadhouse WA yesterday, the queue extended in both directions from the roadhouse, north and south

At present each car would take maybe 10 mins to fill, imagine when each takes 90mins to charge and only 3 or 4 at a time as it is solar and diesel generators for power

They will fill their camping area every night while people charge up
 
Hopefully, the battery systems will have improved by then.
The reality is, that diesel power will be with us for some time, especially in more remote areas.

As a caravaner, I can see how the EV market will just not cut it for the grey nomads.
Yes, the torque would be great, the stability would be improved, but the issue is range.
Perhaps, if you stick to the east coast, the idea of towing a van with an EV may be possible, but caravan parks are nowhere equiped enough to charge multiple vehicles over night .
The reason why so many vehicles queue is that there some big distances between roadhouses once you getaway from the big smoke.
Towing reduces the range quite dramatically, as does travelling at anything above 70kmhr.
it just does not scale well.
mick
 
I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't rate E.V vehicles for towing caravans, especially big ones, time will tell.
When you add the battery weight to the towbar weight and the load carrying capacity, my guess is most vans will exceed the axle and tyre load capacity.
 
Here is another issue that is going to become more common, in the renewable transition, back peddling.

The United Kingdom's proposed ban on the sale of new petrol and diesel-powered cars by 2030 is now in doubt, after the country’s prime minister reportedly failed to give a concrete answer on whether the radical target could be met.
UK publication Autocar reports there have been rumours the ban – which would result in only hybrid and electric cars being sold in the country by 2030, before a switch to electric-only by 2035 – cannot be legislated to its current proposed timeline.
When asked whether the UK would stick with its commitment to ban new petrol and diesel-only powered cars from showrooms by 2030, British prime minister Rishi Sunak reportedly side-stepped the question.
 

Far out. I spent a few months at Sandfire earlier this year, including Easter, their busiest time of year, and saw nothing like this. Very surprising.

While there I did ponder the logistics of electric vehicles and it's a struggle to imagine anything working, but perhaps with a large number of charging stations (there's no shortage of space) it might be possible.
 
i avoided investing in uranium because of the political flip-flopping that usually goes with it

BTW life-expectancy was much less the last time we relied on wind power
 
Endurance Of Electric Vehicles Falters In Extreme Heat

https://www.zerohedge.com/technology/endurance-electric-vehicles-falters-extreme-heat

makes you wonder about home battery packs in some regions as well
 
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