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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    198

Model 3 normally outsells the model Y as shown in the august numbers, but covid lockdowns a few months ago probably affect recent numbers.

The corolla sales were also triple what they were a month before, so that might be an aberration, also the corolla is a much cheaper car, you would expect the cheaper cars to easily out sell the more expensive teslas every month, but they don’t seem to.

How much does Toyota spend on marketing? In business to some extent it’s easy to “buy” sales through advertising, but if a product sells without advertising that’s a good sign.

 

I feel better about the savings I have accumulated, and directed towards my investment portfolio ?

Below is my EVs power usage & equivalent petrol savings for 2022, this includes interstate travel & a lot of back & forward to my coastal investment.
 

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JohnDe
1 outa 2 ordered Tesla 3's have arrived in Brisbavus. Being sent north soon.
They will be company cars driven by son's, rcw1 gets to keep his scooter ha ha ha ha

Have a good one JohnDe.

Kind regards
rcw1
 
Not so good for the lane keeping system, the emergency brake,etc.
And as a jury,it was a Tesla,who can be sure wo doubt that the car had not be hacked and remotely send off the road....
100% sure?.... interesting i think...
 
Not so good for the lane keeping system, the emergency brake,etc.
And as a jury,it was a Tesla,who can be sure wo doubt that the car had not be hacked and remotely send off the road....
100% sure?.... interesting i think...
How is this not good for the lane keeping system or emergency brake???

Just to be clear, the emergency does not work if you have your foot on the acceleration.

And the lane keeping doesn’t stop you from purposely steering off the road.

If you are going to dangerously leave the road, the lane departure avoidance beeps and provides slight steering resistance, but doesn’t stop you over powering it.

Same with the emergency brake, if you press on the acceleration it over rides it.

But @sptrawler is right this is a great example of Tesla structural safety
 
Peter Zeihan has just release a video on why the scalability issue is a big one for EV's.
He also brings a few other issues as well in terms of "green".
Mick
 
As is the way today, it isn't what people say, it is what they don't say, because they will be trashed. ?
Meanwhile the ranters run amok.


The head of the world's largest automaker, Toyota, has again questioned plans for a complete switch to solely electric cars – and believes he is not alone.
Akio Toyoda, president and CEO of the Toyota Motor Corporation, has continued his call for more diversity in future automotive fuels as he promotes a potential role for hydrogen and biofuels.
“Frankly, (electric vehicles) are not the only way to achieve the world's carbon neutrality goals,” said Mr Toyoda.
He said he believes consumers and carmakers also have doubts a total changeover, but are reluctant to speak out.
“That silent majority is wondering whether EVs are really OK to have as a single option,” he said, according to The Wall Street Journal.
“But they think it's the trend so they can't speak out loudly.”
“Personally, I would rather pursue every option, not just one option, such as emission-free synthetic fuels and hydrogen. I still believe hydrogen is as promising a technology for our future as BEV,” said Mr Toyoda.
“Let me correctly explain Toyota’s position. I would like you to think of Toyota as a department store offering every available powertrain.
“I am often criticised in the press because I won't declare that the automotive industry should commit 100 per cent to (solely electric vehicles).
“Because, just like the fully autonomous cars that we were all supposed to be driving by now, I think (electric vehicles) are just going to take longer to become mainstream than the media would like us to believe.”
 
According to Nikkei Asia , India has overtaken Japan as the Third biggest market for new car sales after China and the US, as no 1 and 2 respectively.
Unlike most other markets, EV's have not made big inroads into the Indian market.
One of the factors that may limit the uptake of EV's is that fossil fuels produce about 75% of electricity, the majority of which is used in industry according to Indian Energy .
So even if the uptake of EV's were increase dramtically, it will be unlikey to reduce CO2 emissions much.
Added to that is this from Statista
The western region in India had the highest amount of electricity transmission losses in financial year 2020, at about 9.1 thousand gigawatt hours. Nearly 20 percent of India's electricity generation is lost during its transmission.
The transmission of power needs to be modernised to cope with increasing demand.
There is varying degrees of the measure of how many households have access to the electricity grid.
According to Times of India, 17% of Rural households have no9 connection, although this figure maybe higher, as the government counts a village or region as being 100% connected if there is a supply to the village , with at leat one household connected to the grid.
given this, it is probably no great surprise that the uptake of EV's is small, as the ability to charge them quickly is at best problematic.
Mick
 
EV debate can be summarised as
Reality is a b•tch?
 
The proposed RAM E.V sounds interesting.

A more spacious cabin positioned further forward on the car’s body delivers seven-seat versatility, making it more attractive to families.
Tradies will appreciate “pass-through” storage for long objects that can be loaded into the tray, before running through the interior of the car, into the under-bonnet “frunk” where an engine would normally be found.

Ram says the car can accommodate 18-foot-long items with the tailgate closed.
Both ends of the concept car’s tray fold down, allowing easy access between the cabin and cargo bed.

Ram says the electric ute will go into production in 2024, but hasn’t revealed technical details surrounding its powertrain.

Next-gen tech in Ram’s electric ute includes headlights capable of project images onto walls, doors that unlock with facial recognition and a semi-autonomous self-driving systems that work when the driver is outside the car.

For example, someone working on a roadside construction site could have the car follow them at walking pace while they fetch traffic cones out of the tray.
 
I think there will be a role for hydrogen in some way, but as for passenger cars, I don’t think many people who have had EV’s for a while will want to begin attending petrol stations again.
 
I think there will be a role for hydrogen in some way, but as for passenger cars, I don’t think many people who have had EV’s for a while will want to begin attending petrol stations again.
Yes I agree, you would have to have a particular need, to want anything other than a BEV, if the BEV fulfills your driving needs.
I've found it suits us perfectly, but we are retired and aren't fully reliant on the car every day.
I would hesitate to recommend it to someone who needs to do a lot of kilometres every day, I haven't been in that situation, so I really don't know how it would fare.
 
I think there will be a role for hydrogen in some way, but as for passenger cars, I don’t think many people who have had EV’s for a while will want to begin attending petrol stations again.

We have a long way to go before we see mass production on hydrogen vehicles. The biggest and most expensive pitfall to a hydrogen future is tank storage & safety.



Hydrogen Storage Tanks: The Types, The Pitfalls, and the Solutions.

Hydrogen Storage vessels are especially susceptible to embrittlement
 

Depends what you definition of "a lot of kilometres every day" is.

My wife uses our EV to travel back & forth from work everyday, plus run errands. We have a property on the coast about 175km away, which we drive to and the following day drive back for work and then back to the property on the coast. this has been going on since November 2022, so far no issues.

The biggest fear is fear itself.
 

That's not anything near any ball park I'd call 'a lot of kilometres every day'.

I often do over 1,000km in a day, I sometimes do 1,500km or more in a day. About a year ago I did just over 6,000km in just over 72 hours.

You don't have to get anywhere near what I do before an EV is completely out of the question. Compared to what I do, people who only make little trips around the corner make you look like you're only making little trips around the corner, and for those people, an EV is not a good option. For people who don't do more than about 300km in a day and can charge up in between drives it's lovely if they don't mind throwing a lot of money at the purchase price.

You only need your vehicle to be incapable of doing what you need it to do once or twice per year for it to be a big issue. For the majority of people (yourself being a good example by the sound of it) big or even medium drives aren't ever a thing, so an EV is great, but for plenty of people they just won't do what is required.

I'm currently in the Great Sandy Desert, I simply can not imagine how EVs could be practical for anyone in this region, and it would scarcely be possible at all to travel through where I am let alone do it practically - a quick check on maps says it's 610km between the nearest place you could charge a car to the west and east of here (unless you wanted to pay someone an insane amount to let them use a generator - I'm currently using electricity from a diesel generator for my laptop). I did see a couple of Teslas in Karratha last month which I thought was interesting, but I'm sure they were owned by very wealthy people (plenty of those out in these mining areas) who own multiple cars and the Tesla is a bit of a toy rather than anything practical. For most people who live in larger cities, sure, they're lovely.
 
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