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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    198

Older people spend less on stuff as they enter their elder years, but their spending on services can rise dramatically as they start needing more medical and in home care.

Eg they might not replace their car, but they might replace their hip and get a cleaner etc, they might not eat out but the might get meals delivered regularly.

Also, aging population is probably only going to be a problem in countries that don’t allow immigration, large sections of the world have a young growing population, immigration from these countries can support the more mature economies.

And as I said, even as western nations population stagnate, we are going to see huge economic growth in India, Africa these populations have 3 massive drivers.

1, The birth rate is still positive and very high in Africa.

2, the exisiting population is young, and people are going to live longer.

3, Their standard of living will rise off a very low base.

So in Africa you will see a growing population and growing consumption per person.

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Also, developed economies are going to have robots. These robots are going to alleviate all sorts of problems people have predicted an aging population will cause.
 
For those with an interest;
 
Just on the recent "debate" about the merits of software updates.
From The Driven
If and when my EV ever arrives, I will be turning off automatic updates until a few other suckers have tested it.

Mick
 
At $181,000 plus on road costs, it is going to be a limited market no matter how many become available.
Mick
“If you look at the market, it's probably around the $60-$80,000 mark which is where the competition is, where the volume is,” said Mr Mannering, adding he hoped to have the Q4 E-Tron selling within that bracket.
“I’m not exactly sure [but] that would be my wish,” he told Drive. “That’s our job with the factory, to negotiate the most competitive price.”
 
To paraphrase another great genius, "tell him he's dreamin'.
I guess if they cut the battery pack by three quarters, made it only single drive, and took out three cup holders it might get down to that price.
Mick
 
Its taken a bit of time, but it would appear that Volkswagen ID4 will finally be coming to Australia.
From The Evil Murdoch Empire
The ID4 is second biggest selling EV behind the Tesla Y in Europe, and Volkswagen group overall has 20% share of the plug in Ev market in Europe. (from Inside EV ).
Mick
 
“Software is eating the world”. So proclaimed Marc Andreessen, a venture capitalist, in 2011. Since then, the adage has been repeated often enough to become commonplace. Simon Wright, The Economist’s industry editor, and I saw this digestive process in action when we visited the Electronic Software Hub recently opened by Mercedes-Benz, a luxury carmaker. Imagine bolting a tech-company campus onto a car factory and you get a rough idea of what the eight-storey complex in southern Germany feels like.
In the story I wrote with Simon this week, we explore how the auto industry, once the archetypal hardware business, has become ever more about software. Industry insiders now talk of “software-defined vehicles”, constantly updated “over the air” with new applications and features that continue to improve the car even after it’s left the factory floor. Less toaster, more smartphone.
Software is not only changing cars, but also the companies that make them. The hardware age was characterised by hierarchical, process-driven organisations intensely focused on hitting the all-important “start of production” date, with new cars appearing in four-year cycles. The software age will be defined by decentralised and empowered teams of developers that deliver updates in rhythms counted not in years, but days or even hours.
While this may be second nature for Tesla, Nio and other digitally native carmakers, incumbents must reinvent themselves. If they fail, they may well go the way of Nokia, which a few years back missed the shift to smartphones and quickly went from the king of mobile phones to a relic. (Although Nokia still exists, it no longer makes phones; another phonemaker uses its brand.)



 
China's LDV first to market with a readily available E.V ute, that is if you can afford it.
It does tend to show the limitations of heavy electric vehicles, it is nearly a ton heavier than the ICE T60.

  • 2023 LDV eT60 price and specifications
  • Australia's first electric ute comes from China
  • Electric driving range of 330km halved when towing or carrying a load, 2WD only
  • Priced from $92,990 drive-away, more than double the cost of the top diesel version
For now the electric LDV eT60 is offered in one model grade. It comes with a generous 88.55kWh battery pack which, in a passenger car, would offer about 500km driving range.
However, in the LDV eT60, maximum driving range on a single charge is listed at 330km because of the heavy-duty workhorse vehicle's extra weight and tall body.
The LDV eT60 ute unladen tips the scales at 3050kg.
LDV data shows driving range is halved when towing or carrying a heavy load.
 

LDV I hope their EVs are 100% better than their diesel vans. Prices are low for a reason, cheap materials don't last in our Australian environment, poor availability of parts.
 
On a side note, I have only done 1,200klm in the Kona, but now the weather is warming up I'm a bit surprised how much the A/C reduces your available battery.
Like today driving on the freeway, at start the gauge said something like 410km to empty, as soon as I put on the A/C it dropped to something like 365km to empty.
I'm glad I chose to not get a sunroof, especially with W.A summers, they are bloody hot.
 
$93,000 might be cheap to some, to me it is a bloody lot of money, for a work vehicle that can only cover 150klm when loaded. ?

Wrong way around. Compared to what other manufacturers will be offering the pricing is low, but the product is cheap.
 

That doesn’t sound right, you should take closer note & clarify with the company.

Latest OTA update for my model allows me to see the power usage -

 
I will take more notice and correlate some data.
Ive order a bluetooth obd2 transmitter and will download an EV app.
The Kona guessameter is supposed to be one of the most accurate of the EV manufacturers, apparently from what Ive read the Tesla distance guessameter is a bit optimistic.
It will be an interesting project, because I travel a set route every week, I should be able to get some fairly good data.
 
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