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Electric cars?

Would you buy an electric car?

  • Already own one

    Votes: 10 5.1%
  • Yes - would definitely buy

    Votes: 43 21.7%
  • Yes - preferred over petrol car if price/power/convenience similar

    Votes: 78 39.4%
  • Maybe - preference for neither, only concerned with costs etc

    Votes: 38 19.2%
  • No - prefer petrol car even if electric car has same price, power and convenience

    Votes: 25 12.6%
  • No - would never buy one

    Votes: 14 7.1%

  • Total voters
    198
They should just do what Tesla did with the Model 3 and just let unlimited orders to be placed.

I think some of the guys here will remember me waiting about 2.5 years for my model 3 after I put down the deposit, I think there was about 400,000 orders in front of me.

I think as long as you have to place a $1000 deposit so they know the order is real, but the person can cancel and refund the deposit at any time they should just let unlimited orders go through.

Tesla held over $400 Million in deposits on the model three, which in part helped pay to build the factory, capitalism at its best IMO.
 
BMW’s Tesla competitor -

 
Fully charged, and preparing to head on home today.

Preconditioning the battery in cold weather improves efficiency.



 
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China's MG, cranking up the competition.



Chinese car maker MG has released pricing for its upcoming MG 4 electric hatch in the UK, giving Australian buyers an indication of how much they can expect to pay when it arrives in local showrooms next year.
Based on calculations by Drive – using UK prices as a guide – the basic MG 4 could go on sale from $40,500 drive-away, although it could be renamed from the SE Standard Range grade to Excite in an attempt to align it with MG’s Australian naming structure.
It would make the MG 4 Australia’s cheapest electric car, undercutting the BYD Atto 3’s $44,381 drive-away price by almost $3900.

Most Australian states and territories offer financial incentives for electric cars, although Western Australia’s generous $3500 rebate could reduce the MG 4’s drive-away cost to $37,000.
Two additional variants of the MG 4 are available in the UK, with the SE Long Range starting from about $44,500 drive-away based on UK pricing.
The top-of-the-range MG 4 Trophy Long Range could be priced from $49,200 drive-away, if UK pricing is a guide.
 
As long as the AUD holds its value..and China is not blockading us
 
As long as the AUD holds its value..and China is not blockading us
I got my VIN number to day so, at least I might be able to get and use the car, before the power stations are hit with a missile.?
I've down loaded a great app, learn Mandarin at you own pace, as I always say allow for the worst.
 
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I got my VIN number to day so, at least I might be able to get and use the car, before the power stations are hit with a missile.?
I've down loaded a great app, learn Mandarin at you own pace, as I always say allow for the worst.
I am one step ahead...lived there for 3 y ..so really scared
I supposedly registered with BYD to be in their mailing list but nothing for the last month...
 
I am one step ahead...lived there for 3 y ..so really scared
I supposedly registered with BYD to be in their mailing list but nothing for the last month...
Yes if push comes to shove, I think Taiwan will go on the back burner, China will say "in for a penny, may as well be in for a pound".

But I think I will still get to enjoy the E.V for a while before we get to that, as they say "you can't take it with you", young people will say of course not an E.V wont fit in the plane. ?
 
I found this video last night, it’s very interesting.

Opened my eyes a bit more into the complexity of the situation, kinda made me that that perhaps the situation would be better if the USA stayed out of it.

 
On Sunday my bank account worked fine.

On Monday I logged in but couldn't access credit card transactions. No reason given, just not working.

Today, Tuesday, it works fine again.

That is why I'm not keen on the idea of over the air software updates for EV's or indeed any car. No offense to anyone personally, but I've encountered far too many examples where "IT people" clearly failed to properly test before implementation.

It costs serious time and $ to properly test, it's months and serious $ millions to do it properly, but all too often shortcuts are taken with the intent that any problems later discovered will be "patched". That's bad enough if it's a bank but no way am I enthusiastic about that approach with a car.

I accept that Tesla or others may well be doing proper testing but having seen more than a few instances of shortcuts being taken, it's a "just trust me" statement from a stranger that does make me cautious not about EV's but about that aspect.
 
What about updates that are designed to make the car safer? It’s hard to imagine that any car that rolls of the assembly line will have perfect software that never needs updating.

Even something as simply as the automatic window wipers in my car were less than perfect on day one, but after a few updates they work great, I would have hated to be stuck with the original window wiper software that only recognised a limited about of rain patterns.
 
The other issue is, as more models, more complexity, more operating systems, more software engineers, more turnover of personel. We have seen it before in different industries, havent we.
 

Mobile phones have been using over the air software updates OTA for a decade. I’ve lost count of how many iPhones I have had and how many OTA updates they have had, but I do remember that not one of my iPhones was turned into a brick or failed to do its primary job. Each OTA has ensured that the device can keep up with new protocols and security.

My Tesla M3 has the option of three upgrades, one increases performance and the other two are enhancements to AP & FSD, all possible by OTA software upgrades, at a cost of course.

 
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Anything new is scary, in 10 years time it will be mainstream, at the moment memories of software failures are too recent IMO. In a lot of cases over the air from the manufacturer, may actually be safer and done more correctly than by some young bloke with a face full of pimples in the workshop.
The only good thing with the guy in the workshop doing it, he has to test drive it.?
Which reminds me of that joke:
When I die I want to go like my grandfather did, in his sleep, not screaming like everyone else in the car.
 
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What about updates that are designed to make the car safer? It’s hard to imagine that any car that rolls of the assembly line will have perfect software that never needs updating.
My concern is simply about proper testing.

Proper testing of software is seriously expensive and time consuming and I'm aware of too many instances where it hasn't been done properly and a fault has been found. No big deal if it's a gaming console, very big deal if it involves some sort of physical incident in the real world because of that failure.

I've absolutely no doubt that it can be done properly. Develop the software, comprehensively test it, run it on a simulated system, then release it for real world use.

The problem with remote updates however is more a cultural one. If fixing a problem can be done quietly in the middle of the night without telling the public, stock exchange or even senior management then that does open the door to poor practices.

It'll be done, I've zero doubt about that, but there are dangers when fixing problems becomes cheap and easy - it encourages a lessening of efforts to avoid them in the first place.
 
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I could add that as a small market, isolated,we are a really good candidate so updates can be tested here first, then íf working, pushed elsewhere.??
 
The key is owner control,even with Windows systems.
You need to be able to veto upgrades etc.
That windows upgrades might disable your custom ATO driver, in the same way as the Tesla one might forget the added module "hopping kangoroo avoidance system".
No one will know the difference.. for a while
But the usual attitude is
Trust us manufacturers, we know better....
 
I found this video last night, it’s very interesting.

Opened my eyes a bit more into the complexity of the situation, kinda made me that that perhaps the situation would be better if the USA stayed out of it.

Value Collector:

I found this video last night, it’s very interesting.

Opened my eyes a bit more into the complexity of the situation, kinda made me that that perhaps the situation would be better if the USA stayed out of it.


Everyone is allowed an opinion, unless you're involved with a dictatorship or communist controlled.



 
As we said earlier in this thread, the legacy car manufacturers are gutting out the cheap and cheerful models, to bring the perceived cost difference between ICE and E.V's closer, now we are seeing the words cheap applied to E.V's. Life is about diversion and deception, ' keepa dancing Maria' ala the Paul Hogan Show.?
It wasn't long ago that you could drive a Mitsubishi Mirage away for $13,000, times and perceptions move on.


The 'affordable' electric-car market in Australia is set for a major expansion next year, with the arrival of a range of five new contenders in the next 12 months expected to cost in the region of $45,000.
Five new electric cars – four from China, and one from Europe – are due in Australia between this month and the middle of next year, with expected price tags between $35,000 and $50,000.
The first of Australia's new 'affordable' electric cars is due this month (BYD Atto 3) – with the MG 4 and Ora Good Cat due to follow early next year, the BYD Dolphin/Atto 2 between March and mid-year (though orders are due to open this year), and the Fiat sometime in 2023.
 
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