Electric cars?

[Value Collector]

My next car will be electric and I'm already putting off replacing my trusty Corolla while I wait for an appropriate EV to come on the market.

Hearing in the last couple of weeks that new car sales were down last year, I wonder how many people are, like me, delaying their purchase until an electric model is available. If it's a significant number then the bottleneck might turn out to be vehicle supply and dealer awareness rather than charging infrastructure.

People who have EVs now don't seem to be any more concerned about range than ICE vehicle owners. I think the anxiety will fade away as EVs become more common at the same time as the charging network grows.

I am waiting for my model 3.

I still own the first car I ever bought, so I plan on owning my next car for a similar time frame, so buying a petrol car is just not an option.

It would be like buying a stream powered car right on the dawn of the combustion engine, eg totally silly not to wait.

 

[luutzu]

I am waiting for my model 3.

I still own the first car I ever bought, so I plan on owning my next car for a similar time frame, so buying a petrol car is just not an option.

It would be like buying a stream powered car right on the dawn of the combustion engine, eg totally silly not to wait.

I don't think your Tesla would last 5 years bro.

But you guys can buy them EV first though. It'll be good for us petrol heads to replace our rust buckets for new unwanted ones for half the price.

 

[Value Collector]

I don't think your Tesla would last 5 years bro.

But you guys can buy them EV first though. It'll be good for us petrol heads to replace our rust buckets for new unwanted ones for half the price.

5 years?

Did you know there is already Tesla’s older than 5 years than have done nearly 1 million Km’s.

 

[sptrawler]

I am waiting for my model 3.

I still own the first car I ever bought, so I plan on owning my next car for a similar time frame, so buying a petrol car is just not an option.

It would be like buying a stream powered car right on the dawn of the combustion engine, eg totally silly not to wait.

Hi VC, have you heard when the car will arrive? I believe they are building a plant in China, to up the production rate.

 

[Value Collector]

Hi VC, have you heard when the car will arrive? I believe they are building a plant in China, to up the production rate.

No, I believe they are servicing the left hand drive markets first, so Australia might be a while.

The last email I got said it would be late 2019.

But, I guess you can expect that, when I placed my order there was 400,000 orders in front of me.

It’s a pretty unique situation, I don’t think any car manufacturer has ever had that number of pre orders,

 

[sptrawler]

No, I believe they are servicing the left hand drive markets first, so Australia might be a while.

The last email I got said it would be late 2019.

But, I guess you can expect that, when I placed my order there was 400,000 orders in front of me.

It’s a pretty unique situation, I don’t think any car manufacturer has ever had that number of pre orders,

At least the deposit wasn't a problem, I think the offerings will be like a smogasboard in a couple of years.

 

[Not Enough Coffee]

I don't think, in Australia, the charging infrastructure will be adequate by 2023.
Therefore range anxiety, will still be a major issue.
Just my opinion.

Range anxiety is unnecessary. You can already drive a "lap of the map". The basis for charging infrastructure is already here. Take a look at www.plugshare.com and view the Australian map. Improvements are expected (and still needed) but AEVA (Australian Electric Vehicle Association) have been actively promoting installation of charging points along all major highways.

 

[luutzu]

5 years?

Did you know there is already Tesla’s older than 5 years than have done nearly 1 million Km’s.

Yea, saw a few YT videos of wrecks and massive replacement after a few years.

Don't the battery only last 8 years before it starts to decline quite rapidly?

Too many electronics can't be good for the OZ sun right? Glass rooftops doesn't help either.

 

[luutzu]

No, I believe they are servicing the left hand drive markets first, so Australia might be a while.

The last email I got said it would be late 2019.

But, I guess you can expect that, when I placed my order there was 400,000 orders in front of me.

It’s a pretty unique situation, I don’t think any car manufacturer has ever had that number of pre orders,

Don't they have a lot of competition coming up? 2020 seem to be the year practically every manufacture will bring a few EV to market.

 

[Value Collector]

At least the deposit wasn't a problem, I think the offerings will be like a smogasboard in a couple of years.

I think the deposit was about $1300 dollars, which is nothing really.

But it’s refundable at any time, but I had been saving for a new new car for years (I am a hyper saver) so the deposit is just really part of my savings plan.

 

[Value Collector]

Don't they have a lot of competition coming up? 2020 seem to be the year practically every manufacture will bring a few EV to market.

Maybe, but I want the Tesla. The auto pilot function and the charging network are a huge advantage.

Tesla’s have already driven over a billion miles in autopilot, and with swarm learning they will be miles ahead of any competitor.

 

[sptrawler]

Range anxiety is unnecessary. You can already drive a "lap of the map". The basis for charging infrastructure is already here. Take a look at www.plugshare.com and view the Australian map. Improvements are expected (and still needed) but AEVA (Australian Electric Vehicle Association) have been actively promoting installation of charging points along all major highways.
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Don't be a dick mate, most of those outlets, are limited use, the one in Mandurah W.A is in a public carpark that is usually full of cars.
Even if it is empty it can only cater to two cars, if every flucking car in W.A is electric they will be backed up to the flucking narrows bridge.
This is the problem, everyone says"no problem", that's because no one has one. Jeez Australia is so stupid.l;
What is going on, with common sense in Australia, it is sadly lacking.IMO

 

[Value Collector]

Yea, saw a few YT videos of wrecks and massive replacement after a few years.

Don't the battery only last 8 years before it starts to decline quite rapidly?

Too many electronics can't be good for the OZ sun right? Glass rooftops doesn't help either.

Mate, you really need to keep up.

Tesla batteries will outlast the rest of the car, real world testing is showing that the batteries will still have like 90% capacity after over 300,000 miles.

 

[luutzu]

Maybe, but I want the Tesla. The auto pilot function and the charging network are a huge advantage.

Tesla’s have already driven over a billion miles in autopilot, and with swarm learning they will be miles ahead of any competitor.

Yea, I'm sure for a geek like you it's a well earned reward. A nice cool gadget that drives for you and stuff.

I like stick gear shifts, none of that pedal nonsense by the steering... and preferably V8 with lots of noise.

I'm old and prefer not to read user manual on my car. I can't even bother reading the tips from my iPhone. Just found out you could take a picture holding down the volumn button

My brother is a bit of a car nut. He was saying that if there's a choice between a BMW EV, or a cheaper Great Wall or Toyota... would people pick a Tesla.

Might have a point no?

Well, good thing is the pics of their later models looks a lot better than the first generations. Now you can do some stupid fart noise too.

 

[luutzu]

Mate, you really need to keep up.

Tesla batteries will outlast the rest of the car, real world testing is showing that the batteries will still have like 90% capacity after over 300,000 miles.

I'm not bashing your Tesla, Musk fanboy.

Yea, I haven't kept up. So will shut up now.

 

[sptrawler]

Mate, you really need to keep up.

Tesla batteries will outlast the rest of the car, real world testing is showing that the batteries will still have like 90% capacity after over 300,000 miles.

The Tesla is still the yard stick, but delivery is an issue.

 

[Value Collector]

Yea, I'm sure for a geek like you.

Haha, Umm... you are talking to a guy who is qualified to jump out of planes, fast rope out of helicopters, pilot assault boats, and has been to Disneyland 5 years in a row (ok maybe that last bit is a bit geeky, but F U haha)

As Elon says, driving a petrol powered car is like riding in a steam train with a side of quiche.

I already resent having to go to the petrol station, it’s such a waste of time, I know I have to go tommorow because my car is on empty, but if I had my model 3, it would be charging now and be full every morning.

How many people here go to the petrol station more than once a day?

Almost no one, with home charging, you will never have to go again, because each day you will start with a full battery.

Then on road trips you just use super chargers.

 

[Value Collector]

Yea, I haven't kept up. So will shut up now.

Tesla batteries will last basically forever, eg much longer than the rest of the vehicle.

 

[Value Collector]

Don't be a dick mate, most of those outlets, are limited use, the one in Mandurah W.A is in a public carpark that is usually full of cars.
Even if it is empty it can only cater to two cars, if every flucking car in W.A is electric they will be backed up to the flucking narrows bridge.
This is the problem, everyone says"no problem", that's because no one has one. Jeez Australia is so stupid.l;
What is going on, with common sense in Australia, it is sadly lacking.IMO

You won’t need to charge your car outside your home for most of the year, because you just charge at night and start each day with a full battery.

And on road trips, you use the supercharger network, which already covers Brisbane to Adelaide.

The average person has to go to the petrol station every 9 days, with home charging, you will never have to worry about going to a petrol station.

Eg, if you started every day with a full tank of petrol, would you ever go to petrol stations? Of course not.

Except for long distance road trips, which are pretty much covered.

 

[sptrawler]

You won’t need to charge your car outside your home for most of the year, because you just charge at night and start each day with a full battery.

And on road trips, you use the supercharger network, which already covers Brisbane to Adelaide.

The average person has to go to the petrol station every 9 days, with home charging, you will never have to worry about going to a petrol station.

Eg, if you started every day with a full tank of petrol, would you ever go to petrol stations? Of course not.

Except for long distance road trips, which are pretty much covered.

Come on VC we have been on here for a long time, you know and I know if evreryone was on electric there would be punch ups at outlets.
You have had your car on back order for two years and still don't have it.
You were talking it up two years ago, how many extra outlets have been put in.
I will just google it in W.A.
https://rac.com.au/travel-touring/maps-and-guides/ev-chargers
There you go, if every car has to stop at these outlets for minimum 40minutes, there will be punch ups.
It is just full on muppet talk at this point in time, maybe sometime in the future it will happen, but it wont be next week or next year. IMO