I actually would like the end of this economy BS where youtube stars..influencers . earn millions and people are better off with selfies than actual contribution to societythe crisis we need to have..or we are dead as a society.
That sort of thing is an obstacle to progress on all this. It's politicising the issue on the basis of a rich / poor divide and simply builds resentment for no good reason, adding credence to claims that EV's are going to disadvantage the average person.
Be careful Smurf, I got into trouble suggesting that subsidies for EV's are a classic example of those well off demanding that the rest of the citizens help pay for their new cars.That sort of thing is an obstacle to progress on all this. It's politicising the issue on the basis of a rich / poor divide and simply builds resentment for no good reason, adding credence to claims that EV's are going to disadvantage the average person.
London's air is already dramatically cleaner than in even the relatively recent past, a point backed by data as well as being clearly visible, so it won't end life as we know it to continue on the present path and allow older vehicles to be phased out naturally. Vehicles which I might add in the case of diesels government actively encouraged the public to buy in the first place.
Much as I'm a supporter of all things electric, this makes me angry yes. It's upper class snobbery and isn't helping the cause.
I think it’s main goal is to get more people on public transport, driving in London is already something mainly done by the rich because parking is so expensive, so it’s a tax on the rich really.That sort of thing is an obstacle to progress on all this. It's politicising the issue on the basis of a rich / poor divide and simply builds resentment for no good reason, adding credence to claims that EV's are going to disadvantage the average person.
London's air is already dramatically cleaner than in even the relatively recent past, a point backed by data as well as being clearly visible, so it won't end life as we know it to continue on the present path and allow older vehicles to be phased out naturally. Vehicles which I might add in the case of diesels government actively encouraged the public to buy in the first place.
Much as I'm a supporter of all things electric, this makes me angry yes. It's upper class snobbery and isn't helping the cause.
That’s because that view is short sighted, for every rich person that is going to buy an EV no matter what, there is probably 10 people who want one who but the purchase is out of reach or border line.
England thrives on that, everyone in their place and a place for everyone.Much as I'm a supporter of all things electric, this makes me angry yes. It's upper class snobbery and isn't helping the cause.
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I was surprised that copper was not mentioned!The uptake on EV's increases, as does demand for battery materials.
In charts: EV metal demand accelerated in the second half of 2021
Surging EV sales in the Asia Pacific region brings a wall of metals demand.
A 62% jump in passenger electric vehicles (EV) registrations in the second half of 2021 to 5.84 million units continues to drive an intensifying demand in the battery metals sector, the latest data release from Adamas Intelligence shows.
According to the market analyst, an 86% increase in passenger EV registrations in the Asia Pacific region positions it as the top EV market, followed by the Americas (51% year-over-year) and Europe (34% year-over-year).
The watt-hours deployed in the Asia Pacific region in the second half of 2021 rose 141% over the same period in 2020, contributing a corresponding 134% increase in lithium, 77% increase in nickel and 75% increase in cobalt consumption over the same period.
In the second half, the total global battery capacity deployed onto roads in all newly sold passenger EVs combined amounted to 177.2 GWh, 92% more than was deployed globally a year earlier.
Tesla (Nasdaq: TSLA; NEO: TSLA) continued to lead by battery capacity deployed onto roads globally, installing more watt-hours into newly sold EVs than its five closest competitors combined.
Adamas says just seven cell suppliers globally (CATL, LG Energy Solution, Panasonic, BYD, Samsung SDI, SK On and CALB) were collectively responsible for more than 88% of all battery capacity and battery metals deployed onto roads globally in passenger EVs in the second half of 2021.
During the period, global leader CATL deployed 183% more watt-hours of battery capacity onto roads worldwide than the 2020 period, translating to a 171% increase in lithium, 138% increase in nickel, and 114% increase in cobalt deployed onto roads over the same period prior.
The deployment of lithium-iron-phosphate LFP cells (in watt-hours) increased 426% over the last six months of 2020, leading to a drop in the average amount of nickel (-2%) and cobalt (-9%) consumed per EV sold.
The increasing rates of EV deployment translate into increased metal demand. During the second half of 2021, another 107,200 tonnes of lithium carbonate equivalent (LCE) were deployed onto roads globally in the batteries of all newly sold passenger EVs combined, Adamas says. That is an 88% increase year-on-year. About 56% of all LCE units were deployed as carbonate and 44% as hydroxide.
Moreover, in 2021 H2, 84,600 tonnes of nickel were deployed onto roads globally in the batteries of all newly sold passenger EVs combined, 59% more than in 2020 H2.
This also meant surging cobalt demand. In 2021 H2, 18,200 tonnes of cobalt, 23,600 tonnes of manganese, and 159,200 tonnes of graphite were deployed onto roads globally in the batteries of all newly sold passenger EVs combined, up 48%, 62% and 101% over the same period the year prior, respectively.
Yes, I wonder if any of the EV motors use aluminium windings these days, they tend to take up more space than copper, but weigh less and cost less.
You could say the same for 1987 XY Falcon GT, or a Ferari, or a Harley Dovetail, or a Bertram 50 foot cruiser.
Oh for heavens sake. The folks below the Elites probably don't really worry about cleaner air, they have more pressing meeds, like silly little thongs such as school fees (and not expensive private school fees I might add).
yeah, let them eat cake.
And if XY Falcons or Harley Dovetails were zero emission and could help the government lower the Billions of dollars spent on health care due to air pollution each year it might be worth the investment to get people driving them too,…. But they aren’t zero emission.
It might be a tax on the rich but in practice it's going to hurt the poor.
I don’t really like the term “Poor”, it’s a term that invites the picture of people living in poverty, which is not really a thing in Australia.It might be a tax on the rich but in practice it's going to hurt the poor.
If someone's paying the tax then either they have no choice other than to drive their older car for whatever practical reason or they've enough money that it's not going to deter them and is thus pointless.
Nobody drives in London for fun after all - been there, done that and it's a miserable experience that's definitely not fun. There's a good reason why even many actually rich people use public transport - it's quicker. But if there's a practical need to use a car well there's a practical need, even in London public transport doesn't go everywhere all the time.
EV's I'm in favour of, unnecessarily hurting the poorer half no thanks. As with all this energy and environmental stuff, there's more than one issue here. Energy security yes, air pollution yes but there's also issues of social equity, practicality and so on.
Petrol cars are more likely to catch fire.
Do you have anything, anything at all to back up that statement?
Energy security?
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