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What resource problem?
What's left of Africa will belong to the Chinese soon, if not already. But there's always S/America, Afghanistan and Australia... and China only own half of two of those places.
Why bring in 200,000 people a year from other countries that we don't need ?
Those younger fitter people will be replaced by machines and computer programs so they won't have jobs.
Governments will have to start taxing machines and giving the money to consumers so that they can complete the money circulation and buy the goods and services, otherwise the economy will collapse due to lack of consumer spending.
Japan hadn't managed to get out of the last property crash and recession. That was some 30 years ago.
Costello did get it right with the Baby Bonus. A population need 2+ a dot something to replace retired, then permanently at peace, workers.
Even China came to realise that their 1 child policy cannot sustain the workforce.
It's only a Ponzi when it relates to property
Serious.
Seniors and retirees have worked and contributed their bits to society. Can't keep that up forever so when they retire a couple of younger generation need to take their turn, work, pay taxes, contribute towards retirees pensions, healthcare and the likes. Then soon enough it'll be their turn and round it goes.
That's a virtuous cycle.
Problem seems to be that by the time the latter generations retire, some idiot in high places thought that na, let be fair and privatise all these stuff so it's user pays and those who game the system or born well live longer. Alright, there'll be a few who work harder, got a few lucky breaks... they too can enjoy a decent retirement and healthcare and all that proper food and housing stuff, too.
It's called "universal basic income", Elon musk is a fan.
But you don't need to change the tax system to tax machines, you just keep taxing the Profits of companies and individuals that own the machines, and other sources such as natural resources etc.
Good on him, and Bill Gates feels the same way.
I can't say the Arabs looked too impressed though.
But if it depends on constantly increasing scale then it sure looks like a ponzi scheme to me.
On current trends Melbourne is less than 20 years away from exceeding the present population of London. 30 years from now it'll be about the same size as Los Angeles is today and 40 years from now it will have overtaken New York too. 55 years from now it will be larger than any city on earth at present. 80 years from now the population of Melbourne hits 100 million.
Constant growth is an epic fail once you do the maths.
Yea, that's how you get a proper empire going. Can't establish one with anything less than 200M.
Australia is not overpopulated by a long shot. Even Vn has some 100M people.
There's the quality of life, infrastructure issue with rising population... but with higher taxpayers come higher revenues. More economic productivity... grow the economy, more efficient use of land and infrastructure and all that economy of scale stuff.
I mean, that's if the tax system and resource allocation are done right, it'll be great with more density.
If it's like certain other countries where the tax collected goes to the collector and their friends, then we can blame the Muslims and refugees, and of course the dole bludgers, retiring seniors, young kids in primary too lazy to work etc. etc.
Where's the punchline?
Hi Iuutzu, remember when I told you about those scram jets, back on page 7, well Russia has just shown how well they work.
http://www.dw.com/en/russia-test-fires-hypersonic-kinzhal-missile/a-42929754
That will be liquid hydrogen, not batteries driving it. lol
Electric cars?
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What resource problem?
What's left of Africa will belong to the Chinese soon, if not already. But there's always S/America, Afghanistan and Australia... and China only own half of two of those places.
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Yep, stop births, nobody wants to be the bearer of this but it's probably the only road, if any, we really have left.
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Why bring in 200,000 people a year from other countries that we don't need ?
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You economic geniuses going to explain who will pay your social entitlements if you don't have younger, fitter people to work and pay tax???!
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Those younger fitter people will be replaced by machines and computer programs so they won't have jobs.
Governments will have to start taxing machines and giving the money to consumers so that they can complete the money circulation and buy the goods and services, otherwise the economy will collapse due to lack of consumer spending.
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OK, so given your theory regarding limiting immigration, how'd that work for Japan so far?
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Japan hadn't managed to get out of the last property crash and recession. That was some 30 years ago.
Costello did get it right with the Baby Bonus. A population need 2+ a dot something to replace retired, then permanently at peace, workers.
Even China came to realise that their 1 child policy cannot sustain the workforce.
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I get your point but relying on a constantly increasing population to pay for the older ones is a textbook example of a ponzi scheme.
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It's only a Ponzi when it relates to property
Serious.
Seniors and retirees have worked and contributed their bits to society. Can't keep that up forever so when they retire a couple of younger generation need to take their turn, work, pay taxes, contribute towards retirees pensions, healthcare and the likes. Then soon enough it'll be their turn and round it goes.
That's a virtuous cycle.
Problem seems to be that by the time the latter generations retire, some idiot in high places thought that na, let be fair and privatise all these stuff so it's user pays and those who game the system or born well live longer. Alright, there'll be a few who work harder, got a few lucky breaks... they too can enjoy a decent retirement and healthcare and all that proper food and housing stuff, too.
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for those interested in the population problem, watch Four Corners tonight.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-...ing-to-handle-its-swelling-population/9535116
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-...ing-to-handle-its-swelling-population/9535116
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It's called "universal basic income", Elon musk is a fan.
But you don't need to change the tax system to tax machines, you just keep taxing the Profits of companies and individuals that own the machines, and other sources such as natural resources etc.
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Good on him, and Bill Gates feels the same way.
I can't say the Arabs looked too impressed though.
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No problem if it's the young replacing the old.
But if it depends on constantly increasing scale then it sure looks like a ponzi scheme to me.
On current trends Melbourne is less than 20 years away from exceeding the present population of London. 30 years from now it'll be about the same size as Los Angeles is today and 40 years from now it will have overtaken New York too. 55 years from now it will be larger than any city on earth at present. 80 years from now the population of Melbourne hits 100 million.
Constant growth is an epic fail once you do the maths.
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Yea, that's how you get a proper empire going. Can't establish one with anything less than 200M.
Australia is not overpopulated by a long shot. Even Vn has some 100M people.
There's the quality of life, infrastructure issue with rising population... but with higher taxpayers come higher revenues. More economic productivity... grow the economy, more efficient use of land and infrastructure and all that economy of scale stuff.
I mean, that's if the tax system and resource allocation are done right, it'll be great with more density.
If it's like certain other countries where the tax collected goes to the collector and their friends, then we can blame the Muslims and refugees, and of course the dole bludgers, retiring seniors, young kids in primary too lazy to work etc. etc.
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Where's the punchline?
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Hi Iuutzu, remember when I told you about those scram jets, back on page 7, well Russia has just shown how well they work.
http://www.dw.com/en/russia-test-fires-hypersonic-kinzhal-missile/a-42929754
That will be liquid hydrogen, not batteries driving it. lol
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Hi SPTrawler,
Those 2 parts of your post go together. I certainly agree there will be a resource problem in 30-50 years time, probably a lot sooner, hence why using the most efficient technology will be necessary. We cannot and will not be using technologies that are only 20% or so efficient when 80-90% efficiency is available.
Lithium batteries will certainly be recycled, just like hydrogen tanks, pipes, pumps, fuel cell stacks, etc would have to be recycled.
This is a thread about cars, not rockets. No-one is disputing that rockets will be propelled by hydrogen.
Those 2 parts of your post go together. I certainly agree there will be a resource problem in 30-50 years time, probably a lot sooner, hence why using the most efficient technology will be necessary. We cannot and will not be using technologies that are only 20% or so efficient when 80-90% efficiency is available.
Lithium batteries will certainly be recycled, just like hydrogen tanks, pipes, pumps, fuel cell stacks, etc would have to be recycled.
This is a thread about cars, not rockets. No-one is disputing that rockets will be propelled by hydrogen.