Electric cars?

yes i see that battery recycling seems to have faded from investment themes

but more interesting will be the petro-chemicals used in the manufacture of a modern vehicle ( whether ICE or BEV )

keep watching for advances in recycling

divs4ever said:

time will tell

Musk is no Henry Ford

BESIDES the WEF predicts you will own NOTHING

why would you buy a depreciating asset if you believed that agenda will succeed ( wouldn't you be better leasing it )

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I am not sure what you are on about there.

You said that big gas guzzler cars would be the last to go because of towing, I was just saying that electrics are actually better suited to towing.

I am not sure what leasing vs owning has to do with it.

sptrawler said:

I think that will be the way in the EV future, then the manufacturers wear the dead battery issue, rather than waste recyclers.

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Tesla plans to recycle their own batteries.

divs4ever said:

yes i see that battery recycling seems to have faded from investment themes

but more interesting will be the petro-chemicals used in the manufacture of a modern vehicle ( whether ICE or BEV )

keep watching for advances in recycling

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Not really

well the affluent among my associates have moved to heavy duty dual cab utes , now whether that is because of business related tax-concessions , or the extra haulage ability ( all are equipped with towbars and heavy duty winches forward and aft )

but i bet 90% of the week a vehicle of half that power would be sufficient

just a trend i have noticed among those that could afford an EV or a new Roller relatively easily

divs4ever said:

well the affluent among my associates have moved to heavy duty dual cab utes , now whether that is because of business related tax-concessions , or the extra haulage ability ( all are equipped with towbars and heavy duty winches forward and aft )

but i bet 90% of the week a vehicle of half that power would be sufficient

just a trend i have noticed among those that could afford an EV or a new Roller relatively easily

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Sounds like the folks that would be super interested in Tesla’s Cyber truck when it becomes available in Australia.

one is in IT and the other an accountant , apparently not ,

but time will tell

Ampol to get Gov funding for E.V charging at their petrol stations.
From the article:
Petrol retailer and oil refiner Ampol is to install electric vehicle fast charging bays at more than 100 of its service stations around Australia, as part of a funding agreement with the Australian Renewable Energy Agency.

Ampol will receive $7.05 million of the $26.8 million awarded to five different groups to expand EV charging infrastructure, as promised under the federal government’s Future Fuels Strategy (FFS).

The recipients, which aslo include Evie Networks, Chargefox, Engie and Electric Highway Tasmania – will deliver a total of 403 new fast charging stations, each capable of charging at least two vehicles concurrently at 50kW or above.

Ampol says it will install renewable powered DC fast chargers (2 x 50kW bays to charge two cars at a time) at 121 of its petrol stations across Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth, and said it expected electric vehicles to “gradually displace internal combustion engines,” particularly in the light passenger fleet.

ARENA said the funding round would help deliver a seven-fold increase in the number of fast charging stations in Australia’s most populated cities and regions.

“Charging stations will be built across eight geographic regions covering 14 of Australia’s most populous cities,” the Agency said in a statement.

“In addition to networks in the capital cities in every state and territory, regional centres including Geelong, Newcastle, Wollongong and the Sunshine Coast will each receive a minimum of eight new fast charging stations to drive the uptake of EVs in regional locations.”
ARENA CEO Darren Miller said the proposals received for this round of Future Fuels funding were of such high quality, the agency was compelled to increase the size of the grants allocation.

“As the costs of electric vehicles come down, more consumers and fleet users are looking to go electric. Expanding the fast charging network will make it easier than ever to drive an EV in Australia.”

The Trevor St Baker-backed Evie Networks was the biggest winner from the funding round, awarded $8.85 million to deliver 158 fast charging stations across eight regions in Australia, with project partners Tritium and ActewAGL.

divs4ever said:

well the affluent among my associates have moved to heavy duty dual cab utes , now whether that is because of business related tax-concessions , or the extra haulage ability ( all are equipped with towbars and heavy duty winches forward and aft )

but i bet 90% of the week a vehicle of half that power would be sufficient

just a trend i have noticed among those that could afford an EV or a new Roller relatively easily

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I just re read your post, and thought maybe you didn’t realise that the Tesla cyber truck is a dual cab Ute.

I suspect that the Lightning, aka Ford F150 EV, will be out in the world before the Tesla Cyber truck.
The Giga factory in Texas pictured below a few weeks ago, is still some way off being built.
The original dat for the cyber truck has already passed, and the most recent estimates put its release at some time in 2022.

mullokintyre said:

I suspect that the Lightning, aka Ford F150 EV, will be out in the world before the Tesla Cyber truck.
The Giga factory in Texas pictured below a few weeks ago, is still some way off being built.
The original dat for the cyber truck has already passed, and the most recent estimates put its release at some time in 2022.
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The factory is being built super fast, and they are already loading equipment into it, the earnings call the the other day was done from a confrence room inside it.

we will see what Ford can do next year I guess, but yeah Tesla’s factory is not that far away from completion.

Tesla has decided that it is going to open up its super charger network to other Brands of cars.

I think this should be a net positive, as more people use the network, it will obviously increase revenue the network generates and help fund the continued expansion of the network.

Some time ago, I bought a 1980's sports car called an Embeesa Charger.
Its a fibreglass body kit car from UK that uses the floor pan and running gear from a standard 1965 to 1980 beetle.
Instead of rebuilding the engine, bringing it up to 1600 CC specs, putting new disc brakes and steering etc,
I have decided to go with a company called Traction EV that provide a complete (although expensive) kit to use Tesla batteries and controllers to run an electric motor through the standard beetle clutch, gearbox and drivetrain.
It will have only about 150 kms of range, but that should be enough for toy car.
Given that the car is about 2/3rds the weight of the original beetle, should go like the clappers though.
Should be interesting.
Mick

mullokintyre said:

Some time ago, I bought a 1980's sports car called an Embeesa Charger.
Its a fibreglass body kit car from UK that uses the floor pan and running gear from a standard 1965 to 1980 beetle.
Instead of rebuilding the engine, bringing it up to 1600 CC specs, putting new disc brakes and steering etc,
I have decided to go with a company called Traction EV that provide a complete (although expensive) kit to use Tesla batteries and controllers to run an electric motor through the standard beetle clutch, gearbox and drivetrain.
It will have only about 150 kms of range, but that should be enough for toy car.
Given that the car is about 2/3rds the weight of the original beetle, should go like the clappers though.
Should be interesting.
Mick

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nice project, will try to do same with a buggy here on the farm.should be both fun and useful..when I can find time

qldfrog said:

nice project, will try to do same with a buggy here on the farm.should be both fun and useful..when I can find time

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if you have a farm you will never have the time.
I only had 45 acres, but I may as well have had 4000.
Flood irrigation in hot summers, pulling calves in the middle of the night in freezing rain, weed control, fence repairs, pasture topping, fertilizer spreading, putting hay out, cuttng raking and baling said hay. Nah, you will never have the time.
Mick

mullokintyre said:

if you have a farm you will never have the time.
I only had 45 acres, but I may as well have had 4000.
Flood irrigation in hot summers, pulling calves in the middle of the night in freezing rain, weed control, fence repairs, pasture topping, fertilizer spreading, putting hay out, cuttng raking and baling said hay. Nah, you will never have the time.
Mick

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Mick, you are probably right.....but let me dream

The demand for Tesla's MegaPaks makes them 'unobtainium' in real terms till well into 2224 if your not already on their order book now.
As a future product though?? The melding of MegaPaks and an EV charging stalls as a plug and play off the shelf line seems just to obvious.

Anything like a determined national EV policy would give the Market the necessary's to go about building charging networks apace. So don't expect to much in that space with the imcumbents.

orr said:

Anything like a determined national EV policy would give the Market the necessary's to go about building charging networks apace. So don't expect to much in that space with the imcumbents.

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Bill you need to go to bed, too many reds, Chloe may be calling. ?
From the article:
Petrol retailer and oil refiner Ampol is to install electric vehicle fast charging bays at more than 100 of its service stations around Australia, as part of a funding agreement with the Australian Renewable Energy Agency.

Ampol will receive $7.05 million of the $26.8 million awarded to five different groups to expand EV charging infrastructure, as promised under the federal government’s Future Fuels Strategy (FFS).

The recipients, which aslo include Evie Networks, Chargefox, Engie and Electric Highway Tasmania – will deliver a total of 403 new fast charging stations, each capable of charging at least two vehicles concurrently at 50kW or above.

Ampol says it will install renewable powered DC fast chargers (2 x 50kW bays to charge two cars at a time) at 121 of its petrol stations across Sydney, Melbourne, Brisbane and Perth, and said it expected electric vehicles to “gradually displace internal combustion engines,” particularly in the light passenger fleet.

ARENA said the funding round would help deliver a seven-fold increase in the number of fast charging stations in Australia’s most populated cities and regions.

“Charging stations will be built across eight geographic regions covering 14 of Australia’s most populous cities,” the Agency said in a statement.

“In addition to networks in the capital cities in every state and territory, regional centres including Geelong, Newcastle, Wollongong and the Sunshine Coast will each receive a minimum of eight new fast charging stations to drive the uptake of EVs in regional locations.”
ARENA CEO Darren Miller said the proposals received for this round of Future Fuels funding were of such high quality, the agency was compelled to increase the size of the grants allocation.

“As the costs of electric vehicles come down, more consumers and fleet users are looking to go electric. Expanding the fast charging network will make it easier than ever to drive an EV in Australia.”

The Trevor St Baker-backed Evie Networks was the biggest winner from the funding round, awarded $8.85 million to deliver 158 fast charging stations across eight regions in Australia, with project partners Tritium and ActewAGL.

orr said:

The demand for Tesla's MegaPaks makes them 'unobtainium' in real terms till well into 2224

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I must say that's a rather precise forecast given it's 203 years into the future....

Typo I hope!

mullokintyre said:

Some time ago, I bought a 1980's sports car called an Embeesa Charger.
Its a fibreglass body kit car from UK that uses the floor pan and running gear from a standard 1965 to 1980 beetle.
Instead of rebuilding the engine, bringing it up to 1600 CC specs, putting new disc brakes and steering etc,
I have decided to go with a company called Traction EV that provide a complete (although expensive) kit to use Tesla batteries and controllers to run an electric motor through the standard beetle clutch, gearbox and drivetrain.
It will have only about 150 kms of range, but that should be enough for toy car.
Given that the car is about 2/3rds the weight of the original beetle, should go like the clappers though.
Should be interesting.
Mick

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Electric VDub conversions seem exceptionally popular. Iconic design. Excellent floor pan and runnng gear. And from all reports they have plenty of go.

I really do wonder if/when more iconic cars get rebuilt with EV drivetrains. I think the look and feel of these cars was very important. But these days even "normal"restorations upgrade brakes, electrical's ,suspension components and air con. almost as a matter of course.