Education

[SirRumpole]

As Figlio and Stone found, parents were flocking to the non-government school sector because they tended to provide their students with a more disciplined environment, a religious education, or a greater opportunity to participate in extracurricular sports.

Really, they just want their kids away from the riff-raff.

 

[Tink]

I have always said, I agree with choice.

Private and public.

 

[SirRumpole]

I have always said, I agree with choice.

Private and public.

Absolutely, separate systems, separately funded.

You want private schools, get private funding.

 

[Tink]

The Western canon is the body of high culture literature, music, philosophy, and works of art that is highly valued in the West: works that have achieved the status of classics. However, not all these works originate in the Western world, and such works are also valued throughout the world. It is "a certain Western intellectual tradition that goes from, say, Socrates to Wittgenstein in philosophy, and from Homer to James Joyce in literature".[2] The word canon is derived from ancient Greek κανών, kanṓn, meaning a measuring rod, or standard. The Bible, a product of ancient Jewish culture, from the Levant, in Western Asia, has been a major force in shaping Western culture, and "has inspired some of the great monuments of human thought, literature, and art".[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_canon

 

[SirRumpole]

Teachers are not to blame for falling educational standards ! It's inequity !

I reckon this is a "look over there" article. Teachers play their part in the education system, a big part. So do syllabuses and funding. Everyone is blaming everyone else on this issue.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03...-problem-australia-schooling-funding/12034350

 

[sptrawler]

Teachers are not to blame for falling educational standards ! It's inequity !

I reckon this is a "look over there" article. Teachers play their part in the education system, a big part. So do syllabuses and funding. Everyone is blaming everyone else on this issue.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03...-problem-australia-schooling-funding/12034350

No body is actually doing anything about any of it, as you say it just disolves into white noise and finger pointing.
Well the improvement in the grandson, in two months is unbelievable, now he knows his times tables.

 

[SirRumpole]

No body is actually doing anything about any of it, as you say it just disolves into white noise and finger pointing.
Well the improvement in the grandson, in two months is unbelievable, now he knows his times tables.

Can't believe they don't teach times tables in schools. (Of course I believe you when you say it).

Maybe calculators and computers have made them passe ?

 

[sptrawler]

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Maybe calculators and computers have made them passe ?

The problem with that is they have no underlying understanding of what they are doing, or what to expect as an outcome, when putting the numbers into a calculator.
Thought I would google it and see if it is just the grandson, or if is the way things are done now. It seems other people have complained.
https://thewest.com.au/opinion/letters/get-back-to-teaching-times-tables-ng-b88322555z

 

[macca]

If we used to be among the best world standards then we should simply return to the way we used to do it

Strictly reading writing and arithmetic with 10% of social stuff until they get to year 7 then they can use electrical aids.

They simply do not learn the mechanics of it all if using aids.

A famous quote in our family........... I can't read I am only Seven you know..............

I could read when I was four

 

[SirRumpole]

Interesting Q&A tonight.

The Aussies wanted to talk about social inclusion while the Chinese parent wanted to talk about education standards.

Shows just why we are lagging behind in education achievement.

 

[sptrawler]

It will be interesting to see if the naplan results improve, when children are schooled online, during the crisis.
Just a thought.

 

[macca]

It will be interesting to see if the naplan results improve, when children are schooled online, during the crisis.
Just a thought.

Online schooling is unlikely to change the subject matter, unfortunately

If the grandparents were to step in and home school in the old fashioned way then Naplan results would be spectacularly better in 2 months

 

[BlindSquirrel]

If the grandparents were to step in and home school in the old fashioned way then Naplan results would be spectacularly better in 2 months

Sit down and study!!

 

[sptrawler]

Interesting Q&A tonight.

The Aussies wanted to talk about social inclusion while the Chinese parent wanted to talk about education standards.

Shows just why we are lagging behind in education achievement.

Well Rumpy, now we have a situation where teachers don't want to go back to school, why would they? When they can stay at home 365 days on full pay, great work if you can get it.
Education and teachers have really hit a low point, god knows where Australia will end up, like I said early in the thread teachers today love the job and conditions, just need to get rid of the kids.
Well they think they have struck gold with the virus.IMO

 

[dutchie]

I think the USA should replace "Women Studies" and a lot of the other BS courses with Geography.



I'm assuming that Australians would do better in this exercise.

 

[sptrawler]

Now the virus is abating, we can get back to our normal gripes, this is a great read and shows what a state our education system is in.
We have thrown billions of extra funding at education and what do we have to show for it? Falling educational standards and falling behavioural standards, social engineering gone mad IMO.
It wont be long before the kids are running the schools and the teachers are doing as they are told.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national...0-p54rm5.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true

 

[SirRumpole]

Now the virus is abating, we can get back to our normal gripes, this is a great read and shows what a state our education system is in.
We have thrown billions of extra funding at education and what do we have to show for it? Falling educational standards and falling behavioural standards, social engineering gone mad IMO.
It wont be long before the kids are running the schools and the teachers are doing as they are told.

https://www.watoday.com.au/national...0-p54rm5.html?js-chunk-not-found-refresh=true

The proportion of male teachers in schools continues to fall. This is one of the main reasons for a decline in standards imo. Nothing against women teachers but there needs to be more "strong" male role models in schools who can stand up to disruptive students and their parents.

 

[sptrawler]

The proportion of male teachers in schools continues to fall. This is one of the main reasons for a decline in standards imo. Nothing against women teachers but there needs to be more "strong" male role models in schools who can stand up to disruptive students and their parents.

Unfortunately no male in his right mind would become a teacher, it takes one person to fabricate something and the rest of your life would be ruined, it will eventually become such a mess that schools will become a thing of the past.
They will be just places to keep kids off the street, then when that fails it will be learn from home IMO, the PC crew have completely destroyed schools IMO.
Schools were a place of learning both academically and socially, now they are place where both teachers and students don't want to be.
Just my opinion.

 

[sptrawler]

Another example of how the education system has gone backwards, despite the extra funding and extra resources.

https://www.smh.com.au/national/nsw...s-to-suspending-students-20200731-p55hfm.html

 

[macca]

Teenagers are Always going to be testing the boundaries, they are genetically programmed to do just that.

By relaxing the limits on their behaviour we have simply allowed them to get to the dangerous level where people are killed.

It used to be much stricter, they still tested the boundaries but had further to go before being deadly.

My last business had 80% teenagers and young men as clients, we had absolutely zero tolerance for any swearing, shouting, pushing etc, on the premises, one warning then barred for week.

Warned again, barred for a month............................

Any loud mouth who fired up was quickly shut down by their own mates because they knew that they would all be barred.

Boundaries need to be placed well before any level that becomes dangerous