EDE - Eden Innovations
- Thread starter daaussie
- Start date
Re: EDE - Eden Energy
hey Karlos,
type hythane into google and you get the following (PS I was right when i said hydrogen is minor in the mixture with natural gas to form hythane), therefore costs are not an issue.
Hythane is a mixture of natural gas and hydrogen, usually 5-7 percent hydrogen by energy. Natural gas is generally about 90+% methane, along with small amounts of ethane, propane, higher hydrocarbons, and "inerts" like carbon dioxide or nitrogen.
Hydrogen and methane are complimentary vehicle fuels in many ways. Methane has a relatively narrow flammability range that limits the fuel efficiency and oxides of nitrogen (NOx) emissions improvements that are possible at lean air/fuel ratios.
The addition of even a small amount of hydrogen, however, extends the lean flammability range significantly. Methane has a slow flame speed, especially in lean air/fuel mixtures, while hydrogen has a flame speed about eight times faster. Methane is a fairly stable molecule that can be difficult to ignite, but hydrogen has an ignition energy requirement about 25 times lower than methane.
Finally, methane can be difficult to completely combust in the engine or catalyze in exhaust after treatment converters. In contrast, hydrogen is a powerful combustion stimulant for accelerating the methane combustion within an engine, and hydrogen is also a powerful reducing agent for efficient catalysis at lower exhaust temperatures.
hey Karlos,
type hythane into google and you get the following (PS I was right when i said hydrogen is minor in the mixture with natural gas to form hythane), therefore costs are not an issue.
Hythane is a mixture of natural gas and hydrogen, usually 5-7 percent hydrogen by energy. Natural gas is generally about 90+% methane, along with small amounts of ethane, propane, higher hydrocarbons, and "inerts" like carbon dioxide or nitrogen.
Hydrogen and methane are complimentary vehicle fuels in many ways. Methane has a relatively narrow flammability range that limits the fuel efficiency and oxides of nitrogen (NOx) emissions improvements that are possible at lean air/fuel ratios.
The addition of even a small amount of hydrogen, however, extends the lean flammability range significantly. Methane has a slow flame speed, especially in lean air/fuel mixtures, while hydrogen has a flame speed about eight times faster. Methane is a fairly stable molecule that can be difficult to ignite, but hydrogen has an ignition energy requirement about 25 times lower than methane.
Finally, methane can be difficult to completely combust in the engine or catalyze in exhaust after treatment converters. In contrast, hydrogen is a powerful combustion stimulant for accelerating the methane combustion within an engine, and hydrogen is also a powerful reducing agent for efficient catalysis at lower exhaust temperatures.
Re: EDE - Eden Energy
Karlos here is more stuff which is more relevant and answers all your questions
A small amount of hydrogen in natural gas (Hythane ®) goes a long way toward the ultimate goal of zero emission hydrogen vehicles. The clean burning properties of natural gas are amplified by hydrogen.
The strategy of introducing hydrogen via Hythane is clarified by a benefit/cost ratio called the "leverage factor". Suppose we get rid of 100% of an engine's exhaust pollutants by burning 100% hydrogen in it. The leverage factor for this is;
100% emissions reduction ÷ 100% hydrogen energy = 1
The ultimate goals of a renewable hydrogen energy system are to do just that. But in the beginning, hydrogen will be an expensive minority fuel in vehicle fleets powered mostly by fossil fuels. The special properties of hydrogen as a combustion stimulant can produce leverage factors much greater than 1 by improving fossil fuels--not just displacing them.
Hythane Buses
The first transit agency to say "yes" to Hythane was Montréal's STCUM. Two Hythane buses were operated in public transit service in a 1995-96 Montréal pilot project. These two buses are now in service at SunLine Transit in Coachella Valley, California. These buses emit 43% less NOx than identical buses that burn natural gas. Only 7% of the fuel by energy content is hydrogen. The leverage factor is:
43% NOx reduction ÷ 7% hydrogen energy > 6
An ongoing Hythane project at SunLine Transit Agency, Coachella Valley, California, has demonstrated even stronger leverage. With 7% hydrogen by fuel energy content, NOx emissions were reduced by half:
50% NOx reduction ÷ 7% hydrogen energy >7
Please call, write or email HCI if you want Hythane buses in your urban transit fleet. It takes teamwork to make this happen. We need progressive transit agencies, gas and electric utilities, federal, state and local governments, pollution control districts and public support to go forward with Hythane bus fleets.
Hythane Light-Duty Vehicles
Gasoline engines can be converted to burn Hythane, natural gas or all three fuels. HCI converted a pickup truck with tri-fuel capability in 1990. This internally funded project was supported with tests by the Colorado Department of Health, Colorado State University, California Air Resources Board (CARB) and Impco. The Hythane prototype was among the first Ultra Low Emission Vehicles tested by CARB.
Pilot projects in Denver, CO, Erie, PA, and Phoenix, AZ plus a USDOE/NREL-supported laboratory study increased HCI's understanding of how to get the most benefit from a small amount of hydrogen in natural gas. We know how to get a 50% reduction in NOx and CO emissions with 5% hydrogen in natural gas. The leverage factor is;
50% emissions reduction ÷ 5% hydrogen energy = 10
We are now ready to move on to fleet conversions. A minimum of 20 identical vehicles is needed to make the conversion labor, fuel blending, compression and storage equipment economical.
Karlos here is more stuff which is more relevant and answers all your questions
A small amount of hydrogen in natural gas (Hythane ®) goes a long way toward the ultimate goal of zero emission hydrogen vehicles. The clean burning properties of natural gas are amplified by hydrogen.
The strategy of introducing hydrogen via Hythane is clarified by a benefit/cost ratio called the "leverage factor". Suppose we get rid of 100% of an engine's exhaust pollutants by burning 100% hydrogen in it. The leverage factor for this is;
100% emissions reduction ÷ 100% hydrogen energy = 1
The ultimate goals of a renewable hydrogen energy system are to do just that. But in the beginning, hydrogen will be an expensive minority fuel in vehicle fleets powered mostly by fossil fuels. The special properties of hydrogen as a combustion stimulant can produce leverage factors much greater than 1 by improving fossil fuels--not just displacing them.
Hythane Buses
The first transit agency to say "yes" to Hythane was Montréal's STCUM. Two Hythane buses were operated in public transit service in a 1995-96 Montréal pilot project. These two buses are now in service at SunLine Transit in Coachella Valley, California. These buses emit 43% less NOx than identical buses that burn natural gas. Only 7% of the fuel by energy content is hydrogen. The leverage factor is:
43% NOx reduction ÷ 7% hydrogen energy > 6
An ongoing Hythane project at SunLine Transit Agency, Coachella Valley, California, has demonstrated even stronger leverage. With 7% hydrogen by fuel energy content, NOx emissions were reduced by half:
50% NOx reduction ÷ 7% hydrogen energy >7
Please call, write or email HCI if you want Hythane buses in your urban transit fleet. It takes teamwork to make this happen. We need progressive transit agencies, gas and electric utilities, federal, state and local governments, pollution control districts and public support to go forward with Hythane bus fleets.
Hythane Light-Duty Vehicles
Gasoline engines can be converted to burn Hythane, natural gas or all three fuels. HCI converted a pickup truck with tri-fuel capability in 1990. This internally funded project was supported with tests by the Colorado Department of Health, Colorado State University, California Air Resources Board (CARB) and Impco. The Hythane prototype was among the first Ultra Low Emission Vehicles tested by CARB.
Pilot projects in Denver, CO, Erie, PA, and Phoenix, AZ plus a USDOE/NREL-supported laboratory study increased HCI's understanding of how to get the most benefit from a small amount of hydrogen in natural gas. We know how to get a 50% reduction in NOx and CO emissions with 5% hydrogen in natural gas. The leverage factor is;
50% emissions reduction ÷ 5% hydrogen energy = 10
We are now ready to move on to fleet conversions. A minimum of 20 identical vehicles is needed to make the conversion labor, fuel blending, compression and storage equipment economical.
- Joined
- 13 November 2006
- Posts
- 701
- Reactions
- 0
Re: EDE - Eden Energy
thanks mate thats some interesting info, wish i had jumped on the band wagon a few days ago:
Still a good opportunity to buy in in the next few weeks i guess. I'll definitly be keeping an eye on them.
Is there any other major players with this hythane stuff or is it a patent to Eden?
thanks mate thats some interesting info, wish i had jumped on the band wagon a few days ago
: Still a good opportunity to buy in in the next few weeks i guess. I'll definitly be keeping an eye on them.
Is there any other major players with this hythane stuff or is it a patent to Eden?
Re: EDE - Eden Energy
See below for a list of all patents and trade marks. It seems to be very well guarded to stamp out competition.
Patents, Trademarks and Technology Development:
Patents are held or patent applications have been lodged for a range of EDE's strategic and important inventions including the following:-
1. improved cryogenic storage containers with a secondary application as a superconducting energy storage device (worldwide application);
2. production and blending of cryogenic Hythane ® (a mixture of hydrogen and liquefied Natural Gas (LNG)) (worldwide application);
3. a system patent for the Hythane ® process (worldwide application);
4. a low cost, fluidics based blender which is suitable to mix hydrogen and Natural Gas (worldwide application);
5. a unit to produce Hythane ® directly from Natural Gas (worldwide application);
6. the US patent and Canadian patent application for Hythane ®; and
7. US, Australian and New Zealand trademark for Hythane ® and trademark applications in China, India, Russia and Singapore.
See below for a list of all patents and trade marks. It seems to be very well guarded to stamp out competition.
Patents, Trademarks and Technology Development:
Patents are held or patent applications have been lodged for a range of EDE's strategic and important inventions including the following:-
1. improved cryogenic storage containers with a secondary application as a superconducting energy storage device (worldwide application);
2. production and blending of cryogenic Hythane ® (a mixture of hydrogen and liquefied Natural Gas (LNG)) (worldwide application);
3. a system patent for the Hythane ® process (worldwide application);
4. a low cost, fluidics based blender which is suitable to mix hydrogen and Natural Gas (worldwide application);
5. a unit to produce Hythane ® directly from Natural Gas (worldwide application);
6. the US patent and Canadian patent application for Hythane ®; and
7. US, Australian and New Zealand trademark for Hythane ® and trademark applications in China, India, Russia and Singapore.
Re: EDE - Eden Energy
interesting to find that tas owns 27% of eden and that all things accounted for, that this interest alone values tas shares at 20 cents with out taking into account any of its other assets!daaussie said:yeah sorry i meant 41.5 c (which rounded up is 42c). anyhow 5 mins later it hit 42.5 c
announcement too -
- Joined
- 20 November 2006
- Posts
- 255
- Reactions
- 0
Re: EDE - Eden Energy
I would've never guessed that you like Eden, its like this thread is your personal blog site...perhaps we can learn more about you on here.
I would've never guessed that you like Eden, its like this thread is your personal blog site...perhaps we can learn more about you on here.
Re: EDE - Eden Energy
Hi Peeps,
I've been watching these guys for awhile - stubbornly held off when they were sitting at 13.5c, now the horse has well and truly bolted. Just jumped on the bandwagon at 43c (trade pending!) and will be crossing my fingers that the cup hasn't been won quite yet. I think this will be a fun one to watch in the medium term.
Cheers all
Hi Peeps,
I've been watching these guys for awhile - stubbornly held off when they were sitting at 13.5c, now the horse has well and truly bolted. Just jumped on the bandwagon at 43c (trade pending!) and will be crossing my fingers that the cup hasn't been won quite yet. I think this will be a fun one to watch in the medium term.
Cheers all
numbercruncher
Beware of Dropbears
- Joined
- 12 October 2006
- Posts
- 3,136
- Reactions
- 1
Re: EDE - Eden Energy
Out of control !!
These are now my single best share investment to date, 200% in a Month (EDEO), and i still have no desire to sell, Just have this good feeling or something ??
I Day Traded Tasman yesterday, buy at .17 sell at .18 , and this afternoon i decided to buy them back at .205, thats actually under the Eden holdings value at close and zero value added in for Tasmans other assets.
They responded to ASX price query today and said they are in final negotiations with India regarding some Hythane deal and expect an offical announcement in the next few days, sure seems that someones in the Know on the outcome of this announcement hey ??
Cheers.
Out of control !!
These are now my single best share investment to date, 200% in a Month (EDEO), and i still have no desire to sell, Just have this good feeling or something ??
I Day Traded Tasman yesterday, buy at .17 sell at .18
, and this afternoon i decided to buy them back at .205, thats actually under the Eden holdings value at close and zero value added in for Tasmans other assets.They responded to ASX price query today and said they are in final negotiations with India regarding some Hythane deal and expect an offical announcement in the next few days, sure seems that someones in the Know on the outcome of this announcement hey ??
Cheers.
Re: EDE - Eden Energy
I hate EDE.
I mean...I bought at 27.5c a week ago essentially because Tech/A pointed out on the INL thread that EDE had steadily risen 10% a month for several months (which was supposed to never happen), and being lazy and not around to trade for a few days I bought it. Now its risen more than 60% in a week!
So I look at EDE more carefully...golly, sounds interesting...is it a 10 bagger? Or will it all fall over tommorrow and I lose my profits? Should I sell it now, or buy more?
The stress is killing me.:
I hate EDE.
I mean...I bought at 27.5c a week ago essentially because Tech/A pointed out on the INL thread that EDE had steadily risen 10% a month for several months (which was supposed to never happen), and being lazy and not around to trade for a few days I bought it. Now its risen more than 60% in a week!
So I look at EDE more carefully...golly, sounds interesting...is it a 10 bagger? Or will it all fall over tommorrow and I lose my profits? Should I sell it now, or buy more?
The stress is killing me.
:
- Joined
- 1 April 2006
- Posts
- 509
- Reactions
- 0
Re: EDE - Eden Energy
The only thing Tasman have done successully is float EDE and funny to now see their total mkt cap is equal to their EDE investment! but is also a good way to leverage into EDE (cheaper than EDEO I think?) and plus you have the chance (a long one at that?) of TAS doing something with their ground .. know looking at uranium potential....numbercruncher said:I Day Traded Tasman yesterday, buy at .17 sell at .18
Similar threads
