I hope not for the simple reason that regardless of how it actually happened, the ramifications of any major country being convinced that it was an engineered virus would be extremely serious for everyone on earth.Time will tell, be interesting if any Country is will to come out with evidence that it was engineered.
They don't let them bulk buy toilet paper now
I hope not for the simple reason that regardless of how it actually happened, the ramifications of any major country being convinced that it was an engineered virus would be extremely serious for everyone on earth.
Well, that was only one claim, and I'm happy to discuss the evidence. It's very neat, any critical thinker can see it. I'm a little reluctant to openly discuss it because it will cause panic, and I don't think people should panic, but it is what it is.
If you read what genetics are publishing and understand genetics, it's very clear, and they also indicate subtly that they know (by saying things like 'it's either x or y', where any geneticist knows x is impossible and y can not be natural). I'm a trained, qualified geneticist so that side is easier for me to see than most, but if you want to read the peer-reviewed articles out from multiple continents, you'll probably be able to see it.
Or, the simple fact that in literally every other outbreak since the advent of genetics technology, we can identify the source. Ebola from monkeys, SARS went from bat to civet to human. MERS from camels. Bird flu and swine flu identified quickly enough they were named after them. Today, genetic technology is so far advanced compared to when we were first able to do this, like the difference between the first computers and what we have today. The reference databases of virus genomes are also huge, as opposed to non existent. We were able to identify natural sources before genome sequencing was even possible, then it took years, these days it takes barely any time at all. From a sample first being obtained by lab techs to the genetic sequence of this virus being entirely completed and released was just days. Now, despite this radically advanced technology and it being used orders of magnitude more intensely than on any virus outbreak in history... nope, nothing to see here, just go back to thinking about toilet paper.
To a decent virologist or geneticist (I'm a geneticist but not a virologist, though any decent virologist knows a lot about genetics) the peer reviewed articles tell you what this is. It's basically a modified SARS virus (based in the 2002 outbreak virus) with HIV genetics spliced in. The journal articles that I've seen stop short of pointing out that this can only plausibly be done in a laboratory, not in nature, and if you like I can explain various evidence for this being the case, but no virologist could doubt the orign. A short piece of that evidence is to say that for this to occur naturally, an extremely unlikely (like, flipping heads a million times in a row type unlikely) event would need to occur in a person infected with both SARS and HIV. If you can get over those astronomical odds, you still require a person with HIV being infected with SARS, which would require an active SARS outbreak. There wasn't an active SARS outbreak before this event. Patient zero had the spliced version. So you have an astronomically unlikely event which could only occur in a scenario we know didn't exist anyway.
Alternatively, we do know that bioweapons and medical research actually do exist, in many labs around the world. No one disputes this. They both involve artificial genetic manipulation of virus genetics. No one disputes this. Viruses do escape from labs quite often due to human error. No one disputes this. For it to be an accidental release, all it would take is one lab tech making a mistake or equipment failure. No one disputes that human error and equipment failure are both real things. This is entirely plausible. For it to be a deliberate release, that requires a much bigger story. Wars do start and the world has been on the edge for a long time, we've spent decades saying it's overdue, so while I'm not making the claim, that wouldn't surprise me either.
So, if you still want to disagree, please at least agree to disagree (or if you have logical explanations as to why I'm wrong, by all means present it, but the picture of it being artificial is so clear it's silly to dispute unless you're just being dishonest for the purpose of not causing panic).
Following up on this, Son in laws workmate has proven NEGATIVE. Good news for her and all her acquaintances but we are not relaxing our diligence. I made comment about shop-hopping madness and decided to not do shopping for a week or so, and that will be done by our more resilient kids (on their insistence). Rule: what is not available is not to be chased. Grandkids minding has been removed as the parents are doing work share at home and office.
Thank you to the well wishes and I truly hope you have similar 'luck' with any future encounter.
We are Aussies. Proven fighters. Community conscious. Lets prove it again to ourselves that we haven't changed and get on top of this in far less time than even the most optimistic experts suggest.
Just google sars hiv hiv sequence, this should lead you to a research paper.indian release nearly 2 months agoSdajii I am genuine interested and curious because I have no idea in this field how do you counter all those articles which say it is natural?
for example this https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200317175442.htm
just a first google result, is it because nobody wants to accuse anybody officially? I am genuinly just curious and interested in evidence from both sides
Investors are jumpy due to uncertainty about the size and duration of the impact of the coronavirus outbreak and the spreading wave of business shutdowns meant to help contain it.
I think the US is behind in it's attempts to limit the virus spread and a ticking time bomb. Until it peaks there, we're not out of the woods. The economic implications remain dire; the market response is likely to still be negativeMarkets are likely in for more turblence next week as investors get a better look at the economic fallout from businesses closures and layoffs. Goldman Sachs Group analysts project that this week's U.S. unemployment aid applications increased more than 2 million
Same asClearest most practical analysis of the options we face to deal with with crisis I have seen.
The case for shutting down almost everything, and restarting when coronavirus is gone
John Daley
Here are the three endgames Australia could pursue, and why we should choose the most radical
Nobody likes talking about the COVID-19 endgame, but we need to choose one. The appropriate interventions – public health, government spending, and freedom of movement – all depend on the endgame we choose.
The differences between endgames amount to tens of thousands of avoidable deaths, hundreds of thousands of avoidable hospital admissions, and deep and systemic impacts on Australia’s economy and society.
Many discussions are underestimating the likely political reactions when death counts rise.
They are also underestimating the economic and social consequences of an open-ended epidemic that will have enormous real-world impacts on small and medium businesses, as well as many not-for-profit organisations in every sector of the economy and society. We are not facing up to the social consequences if many close, and credit markets collapse.
We see three possible endgames.
None are attractive, but one is better than the others
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...thing-and-restarting-when-coronavirus-is-gone
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