Dump it Here

[barney]

The 'Dump it here' thread lacks posters..

LOL Skate ….. You type faster than I can read

This thread is full of some excellent advice and great ideas ……
People however take time to digest things …
The thread will have longevity and benefit to readers well into the future for the above reasons

My advice is to carry on as you were Sir and take no notice regarding the lack of posters

 

[barney]

Sorry Skate, busy here too. Full moon planting and festivities for a few days on the farm (gotta keep the Pagans and Wiccans happy) plus a few more wwoofers have arrived. Firing up the pizza ovens to feed the masses again tonight



I've already told you everything I know

Lol …..

On a totally unimportant point to the thread given its the weekend …. I also cooked some of my best homemade pizzas last night for a friend visiting from OS ….. He gave me the ultimate compliment that they were better than bought pizzas …..

Not a big deal for most, but I was pretty chuffed because he is well travelled and has eaten some pretty good pizzas in his time I intend to cook more tonight to prove it was no fluke lol ….

Carry on Skate, and apologies for bringing my hunger into your thread

 

[POR930]

Thanks Skate for your advice in the other thread. Yeah, we are all beginners in this game. After 30 years, amazing how you can still fall into the traps. All these years, I have used my excel sheets.

As you say, easy to buy...much harder to exit. These last 12 months or so not so bad for me, as I have been very active in short term trading and if it aint working, move on. Achieved 225k, including dividends using 450k...but too much left on the table. When I look at my exits, most if not all are on the downside of the bell...And some times, I have exited one day and bought in the next, usually for a win.
My biggest failures were in pot and Bitcoin stocks...never again I venture into this abyss..

My aim this year is to get stronger at exits and if the stop loss is there, #$%^& STOP and get out.
I get too floppy at the reasoning setting my stop losses and when I arrive there, I some times think umm, another few days and it will improve..yeah, right......
Ged

 

[Skate]

LOL Skate ….. You type faster than I can read

This thread is full of some excellent advice and great ideas ……
People however take time to digest things …
The thread will have longevity and benefit to readers well into the future for the above reasons

My advice is to carry on as you were Sir and take no notice regarding the lack of posters

Barney, this thread is current only while it’s on the front pages of the Recent Posts.

Nobody reads yesterday’s news, all of my other posts have already been forgotten.

Skate.

 

[Joe Blow]

Barney, this thread is current only while it’s on the front pages of the Recent Posts.

I've just made it a Sticky thread, so it's now permanently located at the top of the list of threads in the Beginner's Lounge forum.

 

[tech/a]

Good decision Joe

 

[Skate]

Thanks Skate for your advice in the other thread. Yeah, we are all beginners in this game. After 30 years, amazing how you can still fall into the traps. All these years, I have used my excel sheets.

As you say, easy to buy...much harder to exit. These last 12 months or so not so bad for me, as I have been very active in short term trading and if it aint working, move on. Achieved 225k, including dividends using 450k...but too much left on the table. When I look at my exits, most if not all are on the downside of the bell...And some times, I have exited one day and bought in the next, usually for a win.
My biggest failures were in pot and Bitcoin stocks...never again I venture into this abyss..

My aim this year is to get stronger at exits and if the stop loss is there, #$%^& STOP and get out.
I get too floppy at the reasoning setting my stop losses and when I arrive there, I some times think umm, another few days and it will improve..yeah, right......
Ged

POR930, we have all been there & done that - it's a pain just reading your post as I can feel the confusion & frustration.

“If I only took the profits here, and here, and here I could have done better”

Mindset
Having this type of mindset will make you a terrible trader !
I know, been there done that!

In those times ya just gotta 'hang tough'!

Take Profit Stop
Also I've done a lot of testing on a 'Take Profit Stop' but they perform similar to what you say, they kick you out only to enter on the next period, very frustrating - also these type of stops don't add any value to my strategy.

Using a the 'Take Profit Stop' just increases the amount of positions to buy increasing your commission costs. Whereas a 'Stale stop' is worth its weight in gold.

I have three buy triggers & two sell triggers in my Hybrid Strategy

My Existing Two Exits are:
Exit 1 - A Looping Trailing Stop (that works great)
Exit 2 - A Stale Stop - which is a combination of (a) a Rate of Change (ROC) Indicator and (b) a Chandelier Stop in combination (they both work together and they work great IMHO )

Skate.

 

[Joules MM1]

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....all of my other posts have already been forgotten.

you could input a counter on the first page now Joe has stickied it up...maybe Joe could edit with a counter for you?

either way may napkin math suggests you have more than you think



i have to say i would like to see you move from "this is the house you can build" phase thru to "this is where i like to place my furniture" ....kinda thing

 

[Skate]

I've just made it a Sticky thread, so it's now permanently located at the top of the list of threads in the Beginner's Lounge forum.

Thank you Joe for making this 'Dump it here' thread a Sticky
I also want to thank each & every member who has taken the time to read my post, by doing so you have made me feel very happy. To the members who have (& you know who you are) after reading my post have gone on to hit the 'Like' button - thank you.

Also to those members who have engaged in this thread - thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have read each & every post many times over. The members who have freely shared an experience or expressed an opinion here - thank you.

Why post ?
If my posts affect anyone's behaviour, I'm a winner - that's my end game..

Our community is worth promoting, we all share the same values & have a common interest.

Skate.

 

[Joules MM1]

you could input a counter on the first page now Joe has stickied it up...maybe Joe could edit with a counter for you?

either way may napkin math suggests you have more than you think

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i have to say i would like to see you move from "this is the house you can build" phase thru to "this is where i like to place my furniture" ....kinda thing

i also suggest, with respect, you begin to index these posts so you can refer back and go indepth, build a chronology, an index, a pathway if you like

build an initial master index for yourself with http's set for each subject that way you'll have a chain to work from, making a comprehensive pathway for a complete newbie

 

[Skate]

you could input a counter on the first page now Joe has stickied it up...maybe Joe could edit with a counter for you?

either way may napkin math suggests you have more than you think

View attachment 91493

i have to say i would like to see you move from "this is the house you can build" phase thru to "this is where i like to place my furniture" ....kinda thing

Joules MM1, YES, I'll do post on this topic tomorrow.

Skate.

 

[Skate]

i also suggest, with respect, you begin to index these posts so you can refer back and go indepth, build a chronology, an index, a pathway if you like

build an initial master index for yourself with http's set for each subject that way you'll have a chain to work from, making a comprehensive pathway for a complete newbie

Joules MM1, did I tell you I lose interest in projects very quickly ?

Its hard enough punching out words as I think of them , I shudder to think of how many grammatical errors I've made.

I'm thinking of just answering questions in future as it's hard to know what others are interested in.

Long posts are boring to write as well for others to read (we all know this)

Skate.

 

[Joules MM1]

Joules MM1, did I tell you I lose interest in projects very quickly ?

Its hard enough punching out words as I think of them , I shudder to think of how many grammatical errors I've made.

I'm thinking of just answering questions in future as it's hard to know what others are interested in.

Long posts are boring to write as well for others to read (we all know this)

Skate.

the one thing about the auction process most find out is you need to "find out" before you know the right questions to ask, it's like no other interaction anyone deals with

maybe they get boring ...for you

any moment there's a thirsty individual gotta drink from the cup and if the cups too big they'll get a forkhoist..they just have to drink

 

[Skate]

the one thing about the auction process most find out is you need to "find out" before you know the right questions to ask, it's like no other interaction anyone deals with

maybe they get boring ...for you

any moment there's a thirsty individual gotta drink from the cup and if the cups too big they'll get a forkhoist..they just have to drink

Joules MM1, you say maybe "they get boring ...for you" - NO, that's not the case, I don't interact with anyone to get bored, what is boring is starting a thread so members have a place to share their knowledge, sometimes members forget that someones trash is another persons treasure.

What you find trivial could be the catalysis to engage another to think on a deeper level.

Just maybe
The low member posting in the 'Dump it here' are mostly likely from a lack of time, as I know its not a lack of knowledge. I've noticed more & more members find debating their position over trivial matters, more enjoyable to them. They play tennis all day, hitting their views back & forth & I never get to see a winner.

Also
No one likes to say ‘I don’t know’. It is a conversation killer. It makes one look stupid.

There is no right or wrong on this thread
I do know something about human nature & it's this "everyone wants to be heard" without being belittled & treated with respect.

The nice thing about people is: "We are all different".

We are all at different stages in our trading journey. When I joined ASF, I didn't even know enough to ask the right question. My rapid short posts hopefully goes someway to address this issue.

Skate.

 

[Joe Blow]

Thank you Joe for making this 'Dump it here' thread a Sticky

No problem. This thread will be a great reference for beginners - past, present and future.

Also to those members who have engaged in this thread - thank you from the bottom of my heart. I have read each & every post many times over. The members who have freely shared an experience or expressed an opinion here - thank you.

Why post ?
If my posts affect anyone's behaviour, I'm a winner - that's my end game..

Our community is worth promoting, we all share the same values & have a common interest.

If posting continues at its present rate, this month will see the most posts in a month since either November 2014 or August 2013. We've kicked off to a good start this year. It would be great to see it continue. ASF has a vibrancy and a life to it when there are lots of active discussions happening. It's an interesting and enjoyable place to be.

So, thank you for your part in that Skate. The "Dump it Now" thread has made a huge contribution to the activity here since it was started last month. It seems to have had a real impact on overall activity. Let's keep the ball rolling.

 

[Joe Blow]

And I recommend that people share this thread and other threads they find value in on social media, if you use it. If you take a look below the "Similar Threads" area in each thread you'll see some social media buttons. Click them if you're so inclined. I see at least one person has already recommended this thread to others.

You can also like individual posts. Simply click the post number in the top, right of the relevant post and a box will pop up with a direct link to the post and another row of social media share buttons.

Doing this exposes the content to many people who would not otherwise have come into contact with it and who may benefit from it. I recommend doing it to this thread and every other thread that you find valuable enough to recommend to others. It will bring other like-minded people here who may well decide to become a contributing member of our community.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

Gringotts Bank, most traders & fund managers don't have a good handle on how the market works, you think they would should know but they don't.

This will turn into a long post that would be boring for others to read, so I'll keep it as succinctly as possible by giving basic examples that others many understand.

How a business makes money
1. They Buy right (at wholesale prices)
2. The sell right (at retail prices)
3. Control their expenses
4. Pay their Tax obligations
5. Pocket the balance

The manipulators
1. Buy right at wholesales prices (the low price)
2. Sell right at retail prices (the high price)

How do traders lose money ?
1. They buy at Retail (at the top of the price range)
2. They sell at Wholesale (at the bottom of the price range)
3. Manipulators know where your stops are (its called gunning for stops) all they have to do is force to that level, emotions will do the rest.

You've seen the charts.
1. The prices are pushed up
2. The prices are dragged down
3. Wash & repeat (that's what causes the Zip Zap pattern you see on the charts)

The Fund Managers
1. Their business model is to make money for the company & surprise, surprise they don't make money for you (that's not their job)
2. They track Indexes by only buying non volatile companies & they are after the dividends (capital growth is a bonus)
3. Their business model is to keep you fully invested (their profits comes from funds under management)
4. The funds under management attract a management fee, whether you win or lose money, they don't care (its not about you)

Investment vehicles
Safe long term investments vehicle the type 'Fund Managers' use have a low payoff ratio (that's why the lower than expected performance results)

Ocean Cruises & Industry/Retail Funds are the same
Ocean Cruises & Industry/Retail Funds can't turn sharply, they can't zip here & zip there like a little speed boat can (that's us by the way, we are the speed boats) & for Fund Managers to change course it's not in their DNA (that's a lot of effort for them to change course, chasing returns just for members , WHY - there is no payoff for them)

CommSec
I've posted about CommSec ringing me, alerting that I'll shift the market with the size of some my positions (think about this - are they ringing me for my benefit or for theirs ?)

They see both sides
CommSec are active traders, I've taken their trades & they have taken the other side of mine, they do market swaps all the time, the problem as I see it is that they get to see both sides of the market & allowed to be active players ( who would have thunk it ! )

This is a quick & dirty response to a much larger problem. I know all this & I still trade, picking up the splashes the big boys makes it profitable for me. (I see the move, I jump on & ride that sucker till I see them change course, than I'm off the bugger)

Skate.

So the big players aren't the manipulators. Most big players don't know how the market works. That doesn't add up.

Who are the manipulators? Who are the winners?

 

[Skate]

So the big players aren't the manipulators. That doesn't add up.

Who are the manipulators?

The market makers.

Skate.

 

[Gringotts Bank]

The market makers.

Skate.

Who are they?

 

[Skate]

Who are they?

Its a long story to type out, maybe 'Google' it.

Most traders don't understand how the markets work, Most of the industries best are oblivious to this fact as well.

Trading is is business to me & to you (hopefully) as well as every player in the market - some have more a lot more power than others.

Skate.