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It's all doom and gloom.Aiming for the "1%" email..(again).
You may elect to stop trading in sideways markets
A lot of traders keep their positions open in sideways markets where I don't. Traders fail to realise you don't make much money going sideways. In a sideways market, if you violate the rules of (a) good money management or (b) a sound "stalestop" exit strategy, you are going to pay, & pay dearly. This is when an exit strategy is everything when trading.
Indexes are used for different purpose, i used xnt for example to compare the results of my systems.that way, i know if i am better off working these system or just put money in an etf asx200.It's all doom and gloom.
1% email received for the last week, woohoo. (Monetary figures edited out.)
It's just a percentages & numbers game, is the way i look at it. I find its easier to accept losses in your stride this way.
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I had a little think about this, so out loud...
So, what entails a sideways or crabby market?
Lets use the example of;
say 50% of stocks are going up, and 50% of stocks are going down, thus balancing out to a flatline.
(For this example let's ignore market capitalisation or MC.)
In reality, it may be very different when taking into account MC, but I would hazard a guess statistically, (law of averages/ big numbers), that the 50:50 scenario could be close to reality.
Not necessarily so and in any case, shouldn't be assumed so, however without data to prove it either way, lets go with 50:50.
This means in a sideways market, in theory, out of a random selection of 10 stocks, 5 may go up, 5 may go down.
So, what entails a uptrend or bull market?
Same as above except the ratio will be higher as the trend is up.
Example; 70% of stocks are going up, 30% are going down.
(For this example, again let's ignore market capitalisation or MC.)
This means in a uptrend market, in theory, out of a random selection of 10 stocks, 7 may go up, 3 may go down.
A bear trend?
Lets just reverse above;
Example; 30% of stocks are going up, 70% are going down.
This means in a downtrend market, in theory, out of a random selection of 10 stocks, 3 may go up, 7 may go down.
What is this; Amateur Hour?
Yep it is... the thread is in the beginners area after all, and I ain't an expert (a drip under low pressure..)
Back to Market Capitalisation
Lets bring market capitalisation into the mix, just in theory only, and apply it to the above examples.
In thinking about the value of any one particular company in comparison to another particular company, it has the potential to sway these basic statistics dramatically.
Example;
MQG with a MC of $ 52,175,000,000 (lets call it $50 billion) and
BOQ with a MC of $ 4,954,000,000 ($5 billion rounded up ?)
So using these two companies as example,
whatever effect BOQ has on moving the indicie or sector index it comes under, (being the XFJ or S&P/ASX 200 Financials), the effect that MQG will have will be 10 x greater than that of BOQ.
So we see, apples aren't apples.
To say the market is going sideways, doesn't actually mean that out of a random selection of 10 stocks, 5 may go up, 5 may go down.
In reality, it may be closer to either of the bull or bear trends figures in relation to actual STOCK figures going up or down.
Without hard data analysis to prove actual numbers, its just guesswork.
That leads me to thinking of individual indicies, which could be thought of "one bigarse stock" in comparison to the All Ordinaries, being the final indicie or aggregrate of the whole market.
So again, if a few of these "bigarse stocks" (ie; individual sectors) have a bigger overall MC (or weight), they have the power to sway the All Ordinaries (the market aggregate) potentially in a different direction to the theoretical majority of stock directions.
So the question I pose, is a bull trend really a bull trend, is sideways really sideways, is a down trend really a down trend when the above is taken into consideration?
By monetary valuations or MC they are, no doubts about it. (I guess "follow the money" can be taken at either macro or micro levels.)
By grass roots individual stocks movements, without statistical data to prove it, the trends are hidden by the noise of the bigger end of town.
I believe this may provide quite a few niche trade areas in a few sectors at any one particular time, regardless of the overlying and in your face market trends and sentiment.
Further, I believe in these niche areas/ sectors, rotation is rife.
I should stop thinking out loud now, apart from thinking;
does anyone know if (or how) Amibroker can extract statistics such as mentioned above to determine what exactly is going on with overall individual sector constituents (stocks) directions?
Cheers. ?
Sorry for the typos above and missing s etc, smartphone typing has its limitIndexes are used for different purpose, i used xnt for example to compare the results of my systems.that way, i know if i am better off working these system or just put money in an etf asx200.
Then index used as an indicator: well you are right in Australia especially, the banks rio bhp woolies and coles are an enormous part of the ASX so having the ASX down does not mean you are not part of boom8ng bull market in a sector or small caps.
I will just say that when crashes occur, it is very hard to find anything going up..
But tech did boom during the so called covid crash etc.
Ideally, you should use sector index but then what is the lunk between technology 1 and Google...same sector..not much in common.
You have to use crude tools.
What is this 1%?
If i understand well a comparison between your portfolio and the portfolio of a very narrow tribe using that broker so very specific type of investors? Think about it? Why do you even care? Ego polishing maybe..probably why this broker does that but you know nothing of the comparison sample.i would unsubscribe from this ASAP if i were you.can not be beneficial in any way imho
You can create your own indexes using the addtocomposite function in Amibroker.does anyone know if (or how) Amibroker can extract statistics such as mentioned above to determine what exactly is going on with overall individual sector constituents (stocks) directions?
Here's another useful tool. Look through the rest of the thread for usage examples.does anyone know if (or how) Amibroker can extract statistics such as mentioned above to determine what exactly is going on with overall individual sector constituents (stocks) directions?
Norgate Data - Determining the Sector/Industry Index symbol for the current security
I had been using some code to look up the relevant index and thought that there must be a better way to do this.
I read the Norgate usage page ( https://norgatedata.com/amibroker-usage.php#hics ) and couldn't figure it out, so I emailed Norgate and @Richard Dale was kind enough to provide a solution that works for me.
NorgateIndex = NorgateIndustryIndex("$XJO", 1 ,"PR");
AddTextColumn( NorgateIndex, "Norgate Index");
This returns the following when put into exploration
Now, why would you trade it during a downtrend?
Well, here's a clue - "don't" unless you want to lose your money.
Index Filters
I'm suggesting that you use an Index Filter (when first starting out) or until you sort this conundrum out. An "Index Filter" can stifle a good strategy but until then - stay on the side of caution. The more you trade - the more you will understand the markets. I'm first to admit, getting your head around "how trading really works" - is really hard.
Here I go again - "Entries mean little"
You can use almost anything to enter a position when the markets are in an uptrend. During trending markets, money is easily made. In the sideways markets, very few strategies make money. Trading in a downtrend is even harder. So, "only hold positions in an uptrend" it's a no-brainer. If you trade a good strategy in a downtrend, it's going to look very, very bad, & it should. So don't struggle trying to "fix something that's most likely not broken".
More to follow.
Skate.
A better entry is a better exit.
In summary: entries and exits are opposite sides of the same coin: the coin being each individual trade. They are synergistic. An easy way to increase your edge and profitability.
jog on
duc
Mr Skate @Skate has designed systems that do not seemingly rely on entries. There are alternative threads that emphasise entries see @peter2 and @tech/a threads. I also am an 'entries' man.
I've elevated the "entry" to "significant"
Most traders concentrate on the entry believing if the "right" stock is bought at the "right" time all will work out in the end. In my experience, the correct timing of the exit is where the money is ultimately made.
Good entries improve the trade potential.
I am a novice and not an especially successful one, but i start with basic entry selection then refine exits
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