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The statement that every developer did what Trump has done is pure hyperbole and frankly BS. I would accept that valuations are stretched. So did the Judge . What was off the page financial fraud was the relentless way they made up asset vales that had no basis in reality. If you actually read the case you would have seen the details of the frauds committed across Trumps projects.The banks said they would happily lend him the money again. They didn't have any problems with the transaction.
It was a partisan attorney general that came up with fraud. No banks said there was fraud committed.
Yes, every single developer overstates their asset values. You must have been in the public service or something because there is no way you have run a business saying :
Why do you think Kathy had to try and say it was a "one off". Developers and investment money is about to flee NY. The fact that you think NY developers or developers anywhere don't do it blows my mind.
Once again it wasn't the banks calling for fraud charges. It was a tds attorney general.The statement that every developer did what Trump has done is pure hyperbole and frankly BS. I would accept that valuations are stretched. So did the Judge . What was off the page financial fraud was the relentless way they made up asset vales that had no basis in reality. If you actually read the case you would have seen the details of the frauds committed across Trumps projects.
Don't misrepresent me Moxjo. Trump was charged and convicted not because of some stretching of property valuations which everyone including the Judge would acknowledge as open to interpretation to a degree.
It was the entire picture of their financial statements that was fraudulent. Outlined in absolute detail in the parts of the judgement you skimmed over or closed your eyes on. Full stop. End of story.
But not to worry. From now one with an Independent Monitor and Compliance officer in place the organisation can behave with integrity and honesty. As Donald says " They are (will be) perfect figures"
This is a partisan attack to get trump.There is no doubt many dislike Trump intensely whether you agree with the law or not Trump clearly broke it as he is want to do any prosecutor Democrat or Republican will go after high profile people if only to further their careers... it's the "American Way".
If found guilty in the US you get absloutely rat f**ked again thats the US.
Trump's defense of the charges seem to be seriously brain dead,attacking the Judge and saying crap at the hearings that clearly had no bearing on the case.
A Republican appeal Judge / Judges may reduce the fine but Trump won't get off best he can do is delay, his previous record on this stuff in the courts is woeful.
I cannot see how he will avoid a guilty verdict in the Story Daniels case which is a criminal one
Yep, no complaint, no default, no lawsuit. Straight out victimisation. As far as the valuation of Mar-a-Lago goes, one should search like for like properties for sale in Palm Beach, plus valuation as a business proposition.Once again it wasn't the banks calling for fraud charges. It was a tds attorney general.
Passed off onto a dodgy judge (he's the guy that was sleeping with a member of the opposing council during a trial and was caught).
The banks said they would lend the money again without question.
The only thing NY has done is cut itself off from investor funding.
Bas for 8 years you have had Trump fever. You are part of the problem.
I meant that every NY developer were all as fraudulent as Trump. Along with a lot of financials. There is no justification for the size of the fine he gave. It was unusual to charge for fraud without a victim. No one was defrauded of money and everyone that were involved with the transactions were happy with the outcome.The statement that every developer did what Trump has done is pure hyperbole and frankly BS. I would accept that valuations are stretched. So did the Judge . What was off the page financial fraud was the relentless way they made up asset vales that had no basis in reality. If you actually read the case you would have seen the details of the frauds committed across Trumps projects.
I'd be behind rfk except for the democrats. I already said a while back that Trump won't win.Mo you need to take off those Trump rose coloured glasses
But I was surprised that this is all they could come up with.
Are you serious?Really ? This is all they could come up with ? Evidence of years and years of fraudulent financial statements that have no relation to the real world ? Evidence that clearly convicts him of New York laws against such behaviour?
A conviction under these laws that will cost him $400m plus at least and bar him from operating his company for at least three years ? Smal fry? Hardly
I look back to the Al Capone era. Everyone "knew" he was gangster, killer, full on crook. But in the end he was convicted on the nuts and bolts of tax evasion. This was the charge that could stick and hurt.
I'll take you at your word. And in my circles at different times I have been equally astounded at the criminality/culpability of various companies and people in high places.Are you serious?
NY developer. The whole of NY is a corrupt shthole. Had a mate in one of the big financials that would meet with high end clients. The stories were insane.
It's a different world for some.
That's why I'm surprised they didn't find more. Trump inflating numbers isn't exactly surprising given his "biggest ever" statements every 5 minutes.I'll take you at your word. And in my circles at different times I have been equally astounded at the criminality/culpability of various companies and people in high places.
But none of this takes away from the legal facts around Donald Trumps case. Nor, more importantly, does it reduce his legal or social liability for running a business with totally false accounts in New York.
The big trouble IMV was Trumps and his lawyers attempts to pretend there was nothing wrong with the accounts. That they were perfect. In fact he was worth more than the figures said ! He tried to massively gaslight the judge who had a long career in commercial law and was totally across every story/stratagem used to deflect liability. So the Judge knew it was all BS and he wasn't going to buy it. Hence the comments about "almost pathological denial".
But don't worry. There are people who will swallow Trumps schick and give their body and soul to save him. Hence... this blonde honey is determined that the property owners in the US should band together to bail out Donald Trump.
That's why I'm surprised they didn't find more. Trump inflating numbers isn't exactly surprising given his "biggest ever" statements every 5 minutes.
Yes I actually have a copy of the deed. The sticking point is the use fo the word "intend" in the clause "WHEREAS the Club and Trump intend to forever extinguish their right to develop or use the Property for any purpose other than club use"A factual response to the video posted above.
In 1995 Donald Trump signed a deed that registered Mars a Lago as a social club. He did this to gain the far lower local property valuation for tax purposes. Every subsequent valuation made that tried to pretend this could be a development site was fraudulent. The Judge went into clear detail on this in his statement.
One can also see the details for every massive fraudulent overstatement of property values in the judgement.
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In 1995, Donald Trump signed a “Deed of Conservation and Preservation” in which he gave up the right to use Mar-a-Lago for any purpose other than as a social club (the “1995 Deed”).
In 2002, Donald Trump granted a conservation easement to the National Trust for Historic Preservation and signed a deed in which, in addition to conveying the rights to develop or use Mar-a-Lago for any purpose other than a social club, the Deed further “limits changes to the Property including, without limitation, the division or subdivision of the Property for any purpose, including use as single family homes, the interior renovation of the mansion, which may be necessary and desirable for the sale of the property as a single family residential estate, the construction of new buildings and the obstruction of open vistas.” NYSCEF Doc. No. 1531 at 25-26 (emphasis added).
In exchange for executing the 2002 Deed, in which he gave away, in perpetuity, the right to develop or use the property as a single-family residence, Donald Trump paid significantly lower property taxes on Mar-a-Lago. PX 1730; TT 3533-3535
McConney had in his possession, since at least 2011, a copy of the 2002 Deed, restricting the use of Mar-a-Lago as a single-family residence. TT 773-775; PX 1013; DX 360. McConney was also aware, when he prepared the SFCs supporting data, that the entire basis of the valuations of Mar-a-Lago rested on the premise that it could be sold as a private residence to an individual.
Each and every year, he valued Mar-a-Lago as if it could be sold as a single-family residence, notwithstanding the deeded prohibitions against such use in perpetuity. TT 759, 775. Further, when Patrick Birney took over for McConney in preparing the valuations for the SFCs,
Weisselberg and McConney both concealed from Birney the 1995 and 2002 deeds. TT 1258- 1259. When valuing Mar-a-Lago on the SFCs from 2016-2021, McConney and Weisselberg selected comparables for Birney to use that were exclusively for private residences. TT 1248-
1256, 1268-1282; see, e.g., PX 3026.
There is no legal gray area surrounding the permanent nature of the deed restrictions. PX 1013.
Accordingly, there can be no mistake that Donald Trump’s valuation of Mar-a-Lago from 2011- 2021 was fraudulent.
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What Donald trump said
TT 3527-3530. When confronted with the 2002 deed (18) in which he signed away, in perpetuity, the right to use or develop Mar-a-Lago as anything other than as a social club, in exchange for a conservation easement tax benefit, he offered that “when you say, ‘intend,’ intend doesn’t mean we will do it.” PX 1730; TT 3533-3535.
Nonetheless, Donald Trump insisted that he believed Mar-a-Lago is worth “between a billion and a billion five” today, which would require not only valuing it as a private residence, which the deed prohibits,(19 )but as more than the most expensive private residence listed in the country by approximately 400%.(20) TT 3530.
18 See further discussion of Mar-a-Lago infra.
19 A fact of which he is well aware, having signed the deed himself.
20 According to a CNBC report, as of January 7, 2022, the most expensive private family residence listing in the United States was $295 million, for a newly developed 105,000 square foot mega-mansion in Los Angeles, California. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/07/most-expensive-home-in-america-lists-for-295- million-may-head-to-auction.html.
Further Legal analysis of Mars a Lago value
Is Mar-a-Lago Worth $1 Billion? Trump's Winter Home Valuations Are at the Core of His Fraud Trial
Siding with New York's attorney general in a lawsuit accusing former President Donald Trump of grossly overvaluing his assets, Judge Arthur Engoron found that Trump consistently exaggerated Mar-a-Lago's worth.www.law.com
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