Does Gillard inspire confidence?

[sails]

Re: Is Julia Gillard the worst PM the world has seen?

It is obvious to me that the number of posters at ASF are anti-Gillard (more than 90% ????) . At least going by the General Chat forum and by the small number of pro-Gillard posters.

Is this just the ASF or are other forums, blogs etc in a similar situation?

Dutchie - I think it is widespread. And yet lefties seem to think if they harp on enough we might forget Gillard's stuff-ups and debacles. They forget voters have long memories and that the majority of voters do not like their democratic right to vote on major issues removed from them.

Look at what they did to Howard. I remember ASF being far more in favour of labor in 2007. They did not forget that Howard denied them a vote over work choices.

Anna Bligh backflipped on policy here in Qld and voters simply waited until election time came. The result - 78 to LNP and 7 to labor. Says it all, imo.

 

[drsmith]

Re: Is Julia Gillard the worst PM the world has seen?

For the nostalgic, there's a complete video history of Gillard Labor.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ywiabychi/videos?view=0

 

[sails]

Re: Is Julia Gillard the worst PM the world has seen?

For the nostalgic, there's a complete video history of Gillard Labor.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ywiabychi/videos?view=0

I watched one and the google ad came up with the "Household Assistance Package" while the video played relentlessly "there will be no carbon tax..."...

And how much are taxpayers paying for all these "household assistance package" ads? If there was no carbon tax, there would be no need for assistance.

 

[drsmith]

Re: Is Julia Gillard the worst PM the world has seen?

I watched one and the google ad came up with the "Household Assistance Package" while the video played relentlessly "there will be no carbon tax..."...

And how much are taxpayers paying for all these "household assistance package" ads? If there was no carbon tax, there would be no need for assistance.

There's some absolute classics in there.

 

[sptrawler]

Re: Is Julia Gillard the worst PM the world has seen?

Dutchie - I think it is widespread. And yet lefties seem to think if they harp on enough we might forget Gillard's stuff-ups and debacles. They forget voters have long memories and that the majority of voters do not like their democratic right to vote on major issues removed from them.

Look at what they did to Howard. I remember ASF being far more in favour of labor in 2007. They did not forget that Howard denied them a vote over work choices.

Anna Bligh backflipped on policy here in Qld and voters simply waited until election time came. The result - 78 to LNP and 7 to labor. Says it all, imo.

Dutchie, I think sails has summed it up.
The problem is there is a very good chance, due to this federal labor government, that we will have liberal state and federally. They will also end up with control of the senate, this isn't a good outcome.
However it will have been brought about because this government has walked all over peoples right to choice.
They will have no one else to blame than themselves, realistically they have done more damage to the labor brand and democratic process, than anyone else in our history.
The funny thing is, they will be all sitting back on their pensions, saying whats the problem. While the workers cop a flogging. LOL History repeats.
Hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

 

[drsmith]

Re: Is Julia Gillard the worst PM the world has seen?

They will also end up with control of the senate, this isn't a good outcome.

Should that happen, they will have learned the lessons of their 2004/07 term, hopefully. :dunno:

 

[sptrawler]

Re: Is Julia Gillard the worst PM the world has seen?

Should that happen, they will have learned the lessons of their 2004/07 term, hopefully. :dunno:

One would hope so.
The crazy thing is doc, labor have had windows of opportunity to call an election and minimise damage.
However the choice they have made to ride it out and hope people forget they were railroaded, is doomed to failure, resentment will build.IMO

 

[drsmith]

Re: Julia Gillard's 2-year anniversary as PM

I'm celebrating the first day of Wayne's hysterical nonsense and the tax we wern't going to have under a government Julia leads by lighting the fire.

 

[drsmith]

Re: Julia Gillard's 2-year anniversary as PM

Tonight is video night.

Watch till you drop.

http://www.youtube.com/user/ywiabychi/videos

 

[sails]

Re: Julia Gillard's 2-year anniversary as PM

I'm celebrating the first day of Wayne's hysterical nonsense and the tax we wern't going to have under a government Julia leads by lighting the fire.

Yes, what an absolute lie he told.

 

[drsmith]

Re: Julia Gillard's 2-year anniversary as PM

Yes, what an absolute lie he told.

The fire's still going.

Unfortunately, I was a little hasty with the government propaganda I through in a while ago.

I should have saved it for today.

 

[drsmith]

Re: Julia Gillard's 2-year anniversary as PM

Tonight is amature talent night.

First up is Craig Emerson doing his best Skyhooks.

What would Red say ?

 

[Glen48]

Re: Julia Gillard's 2-year anniversary as PM

Think this sums it up completely:

Subject: The silent majority


This seems to put into words what I ? And I am sure many others of the silent majority ? Think! It was written by Mrs Jenny Bell of South Australia to Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott:

To Julia Gillard (Prime Minister) & Tony Abbott (Leader of the Opposition) ...

You BOTH Worry me ! ( In fact both of your Political parties worry the hell out of me !!!)

Over the last three years, I find myself becoming more and more fearful of the pair of you, and between you, you are turning this country into a place that I no longer feel at home in, or feel a part of! I watch you in parliament, and no, not just the two of you, but every politician that I see, stand up in parliament sneering at each other, and acting like children !!! (..and if you were my children, I would be ashamed of you all ... What an example to set!)

Although you would like us all to believe that you are putting the needs of this country at the forefront, NEITHER of you are doing that, you seem more interested in "one-up-manship ", in scoring off each other, & denigrating each other, to the detriment of this country & its people !!!It seems to be all about YOU as individuals, and not about what you can DO for this country !
It is fast becoming a place that I do not recognize, as the place I always thought, was the best place in the world to be !!!

But no longer !!!

You are not listening to the people of this country !!!
And here in South Australia , your counterparts are afflicted with the same disease - is it endemic in all politicians ?

I am watching the deterioration of living standards in this country, (and according to you, on a world stage we are doing better than most countries ... REALLY ???) ... And yet the gap is widening between the "haves" and the "have-nots" . I see our homeless on the streets, our hospitals under-funded, and understaffed, our health system is an absolute mess and a disgrace ... And yet I see multi-millions of dollars being sent off shore, in aid to other countries, before attending to this country's needs !

I see the "selling off of the farm", in large amounts, to foreign interests, (In Every State ) including water rights to foreign interests too ... And WHY...?

Especially when you go to great lengths to tell us that water is a finite resource, & supposedly, we must ALL be careful with how we use it, so that we ensure we have it for the future ?

Foreign interests "Fracking" for coal seam gas, and riding rough shod over farmers' rights to their own land, AND USING QUESTIONABLE CHEMICALS. (You don't even KNOW what chemicals they use), and possibly causing damage to the water table in the process !!!
And those foreign interests I believe, do NOT have to pay anything in royalties back to this country, for the first five years of their tenure ... IS THIS CORRECT ???

A Carbon Tax,( which you KNOW is just another tax with a "Starting Point dollar value") which will make NO appreciable difference, to carbon emissions, AT ALL!

A tax, which in spite of all your arguments FOR it, you are doing alone, when other major countries will NOT & DO NOT embrace it, or believe in it !

All that it will do for this country is put working families and small businesses behind the eight ball, ....what planet are you on, if you think that your few hundred dollars a year, will make even a scrap of difference to the effect of the carbon tax on people ?Blind Freddy can see the holes in that argument !!! Do you really think we are that dumb ???

The CONVOY OF NO CONFIDENCE was real !!! ..and I haven't spoken to even ONE person, who would not have liked to be there if they could, but the tyranny of distance and /or work was the only thing that kept them away, ( myself included ), .. And you KNOW that only a part of the convoy was actually allowed to be in front of Parliament house and ON VIEW ... The rest were streets away, unreported by the media !

For Mr Albanese to stand up in parliament, and call it "THE CONVOY OF NO CONSEQUENCE ", in his sneering tone, shows just how out of touch with the people of Australia , you really are !!!! WE WOULD HAVE ALL LIKED TO BE THERE !!!

DEFENCE ........ Because Americans are our Allies, and we support them in Wars, ......... Korea , Vietnam , Iraq , Afghanistan , ..... and you have sent our soldiers to those places, and our soldiers fought for you, and for Australia ........ some coming home with terrible physical injuries, and some with devastating Mental Injuries as well ..... BUT WHERE ARE YOU, WHEN THEY NEED YOU ?????

Veteran's Indexation to CPI only is a disgrace .. and is something YOUR Labor party Julia, used as an election sweetener, to get the Veteran's Vote ... BUT YOU LIED (Again) ! You never had any intention of honouring your election promise to them ... and it WILL come back to bite you at the next election !!!! (And Tony, Liberals were NO BETTER, Howard had more than 10 years to "fix it " and didn't !)

Veterans are not alone, they have families, friends and supporters, who are heartily sick of the deception your party perpetrated on them ....AND THEY ALL VOTE !!!!

THEY are your obligation, first and foremost ..... and it is not your first obligation to give aid to every man and his dog overseas first !!! Look after your own FIRST !!!! Is this what you call SALUTING THEIR SERVICE ???

Have you any idea , how sickening it is for our Vets to see you both, ( Labor or Liberal ) turn up to the funerals of our current young vets for a photo opportunity, to be seen to be "caring " in the public eye, but only to turn your backs on them all, when they need you ??? (Just ask Breanna Till an Afghanistan Soldier's wife, how CARING this government is !!!)

And in light of what you DON'T do for our Vets .......Let's talk about Multiculturalism .....People come here from other countries, for a better life, for more years than I have been alive ( I am 65 years old !) ... my own family migrated here in 1883, from Germany , and did find a better life ...

Pre & Post war immigrants have came for a better life, and settled in and became wonderful contributors to this country, as did those who came here after the Vietnam War, ... all have contributed to the rich diversity of this country, and some descendants have even fought FOR this country, and they have become Australians and were glad to be ..and they had NO handouts from our Government either, ...they worked hard for everything!

I have never before had a problem with all, or any, race of immigrants coming here ...

.......However , I DO NOW !!!

Please tell me why we have areas like Lakemba, where police do NOT, & will NOT go, for fear of their life ?
Please tell me why we can no longer have religion in schools, for fear of "OFFENDING" someone ? (The latest little gem is that they are not having, or being funded, for "chaplains " any more , but "Counsellors "?)
Please tell me why religious Christmas observances are no longer allowed in some schools for fear of OFFENDING someone ?
Please tell me HOW Christmas decorations in some stores might OFFEND someone ?
Please tell me why we have to have segregated days in some swimming centres, for fear of "OFFENDING" someone ?
Please tell me why we have some RADICAL clerics demanding Sharia Law in this country ... when if we were in THEIR country, this would NEVER be allowed ?
Please tell me why our laws need to be changed, so as not to OFFEND someone ?
Please tell me why we are fast becoming a MINORITY voice, in our own country, because of POLITICAL CORRECTNESS ?
Please tell me WHY Australians cannot legally wear a face covering bike helmet into a bank ..and yet it is ok to wear a Burqa which covers the whole face ?
And please tell me WHY, when those people who want asylum here, can wreck our detention centres, as in Villawood , and STILL be accepted here ?

SO , in light of the above, WILL BOTH OF YOU .....Please tell me WHY, when some of our Vietnam Veterans FINALLY received (in the last 6 months) the recognition that they should have had after the Vietnam War, (and which they received from the USA & South Vietnam, during and immediately after the Vietnam War), that the families of those Veterans, were refused assistance by this Government, to attend that award ceremony, and yet this Government ....flew , accommodated , and even took on bus tours , to the the families of asylum seekers, after the funerals of those who were killed in the boat which sunk off Christmas Island ?

What does that say, about just who are this government's priorities ?

The Australian people that I speak to have genuine concerns about becoming a second class minority in our own country, and the reasons for it, are some of the above, ..... Are you so blind that you cannot see this ?

And no , I am NOT racist !!!..(if I did not like Catholics or Protestants would I be considered racist ?) Of course not !

Why is it, that if we object to what is happening in our country ... we are immediately labelled RACIST, in an attempt to shut us up ?

We are fighting Radical Muslims, in Afghanistan & Iraq , are we not ?I hear you say, yes but the Muslims we have here are "Not like that " .. well how would we know ? ...do we hear ANY of them coming out & speaking AGAINST radicals ?? I haven't ...have you ???

Islam is not compatible with ANY of the values that we hold here in Australia ! .....Are not the experiences of Britain , France , and the Netherlands an example of that? Why do you think it would be any different here ? We even have an Australian born "radical ", whose message is that Australia WILL become a Muslim country, under Sharia Law, & that we had "better get used to it ".

Will both of you grow some "Balls ", and start sticking up for this country and its people ???

We are the people who put you where you are, and PAY you to look after our interests ! ... And you are NOT doing that, by any stretch of the imagination !!!

I would appreciate an answer, from both of you, if only to convince me that once again, I am not talking to a brick wall !!!!!

In case it has escaped both of you ..I would like to remind you that, in Australia the Government ... is FOR THE PEOPLE, OF THE PEOPLE, & BY THE PEOPLE ...
never forget that......because you sure have up till now !!!

Mrs Jenny Bell
20 Helene St
Nuriootpa
S.A.
0885623753

 

[Julia]

Re: Julia Gillard's 2-year anniversary as PM

For those thinking an election, making Mr Abbott Prime Minister, will mean an end to all the misery, here's a timely reminder of the complications to be negotiated first:

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/no-easy-path-to-abbotts-carbon-tax-referendum/

 

[sptrawler]

Re: Julia Gillard's 2-year anniversary as PM

For those thinking an election, making Mr Abbott Prime Minister, will mean an end to all the misery, here's a timely reminder of the complications to be negotiated first:

http://www.thepunch.com.au/articles/no-easy-path-to-abbotts-carbon-tax-referendum/

That was interesting, however if the next election is a reflection of the N.S.W and Queensland elections(also you can throw in W.A as a given). There will be no need for a double dissolution, the overwhelming concensus of the vote, will make the upper house toe the line.

 

[Glen48]

Re: Julia Gillard's 2-year anniversary as PM

Will the carbon tax affect who you vote for?

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[drsmith]

Re: Julia Gillard's 2-year anniversary as PM

In case it has escaped both of you ..I would like to remind you that, in Australia the Government ... is FOR THE PEOPLE, OF THE PEOPLE, & BY THE PEOPLE ...
never forget that......because you sure have up till now !!!

Mrs Jenny Bell
20 Helene St
Nuriootpa
S.A

The political leader and party that needs to take the greatest note of the above, she hasn't addressed her letter to.

 

[noco]

Will the truth ever come out with Gillard?

McClelland is certainly trying hard.

The way Gillard has lied during the past couple of years, she is most likely trying hard to cover up her association with Wilson and the AWU. It is a wonder Howes has not joined in as well.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...on-funds-scandal/story-fn59niix-1226425771932

 

[sails]

Will the truth ever come out with Gillard?

McClelland is certainly trying hard.

The way Gillard has lied during the past couple of years, she is most likely trying hard to cover up her association with Wilson and the AWU. It is a wonder Howes has not joined in as well.


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...on-funds-scandal/story-fn59niix-1226425771932

Noco - that link is behind the paywall, however, Andrew Bolt has some of it on his blog:

McClelland confronts Gillard again with the AWU scandal

 

[drsmith]

The paywall can be bypassed by doing a Google search of the headline.

Select news and Bob's your uncle.