Defending Brett Kavanaugh

[luutzu]

I don't think this is petty.

The issues in this case are fundamental to the operation of a justice system in the US that can in any way be seen as fair and balanced.
The appointment of Judge Kavanaugh was seen as major mistake by many independent and hitherto conservative bodies . These included conservative judges, the US bar council, a major Catholic lobby body, thousands of University Law Professors. Check out the story below for details

The issues that concerned them were:
-the behaviour of Judge Kavanaugh in his defense,
-the partisianship he was demonstrating when he is looking to be an impartial Supreme Court apointee,
-the concern about his denials of teenage/college behaviour which are easily demonstrated to be false
-concern that the testimony of Dr Ford had sufficient credibilty to disqualify him from the position.

All of these issues were clear to the Senators who nonetheless decided to close their eyes, hold their nose and get a guaranteed constructivist judge as the swing guy for the next 30 years.

Earlier on I left an article from The Atlantic that went into much detail on all of these realities.

In a very short period of time the forces behind formally overturning the Wade vs Roe abortion case will open a case. This is one of the "prizes" at stake - criminalising a womens right to make decisions on her pregancy. And Judge Kavanaugh, with the questions on his behaviour to women, will be the decisive factor in this judgement.

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/05...ssors-and-conservatives-even-his-own-friends/

I didn't mean to say it's petty in that sense.

Was agreeing with explod that in the context of imperial wars massacring millions a pop; sanctions that starve and kill hundreds of thousands; overthrowing government, funding terrorist/freedom fighters in "civil wars" etc...

In that context, the attempted rape of one person; the screwing around with "due process" and a sham of an "independent judiciary"... It is of course bad and have massive consequences, but it's small stuff compare to the crap that's been done by the same group of people.

 

[explod]

I don't think this is petty.

The issues in this case are fundamental to the operation of a justice system in the US that can in any way be seen as fair and balanced.
The appointment of Judge Kavanaugh was seen as major mistake by many independent and hitherto conservative bodies . These included conservative judges, the US bar council, a major Catholic lobby body, thousands of University Law Professors. Check out the story below for details

The issues that concerned them were:
-the behaviour of Judge Kavanaugh in his defense,
-the partisianship he was demonstrating when he is looking to be an impartial Supreme Court apointee,
-the concern about his denials of teenage/college behaviour which are easily demonstrated to be false
-concern that the testimony of Dr Ford had sufficient credibilty to disqualify him from the position.

All of these issues were clear to the Senators who nonetheless decided to close their eyes, hold their nose and get a guaranteed constructivist judge as the swing guy for the next 30 years.

Earlier on I left an article from The Atlantic that went into much detail on all of these realities.

In a very short period of time the forces behind formally overturning the Wade vs Roe abortion issue will open a case. This is one of the "prizes" at stake - criminalising a womens right to make decisions on her pregnancy. And Judge Kavanaugh, with the questions on his behaviour to women, will be the decisive factor in this judgement.

https://theintercept.com/2018/10/05...ssors-and-conservatives-even-his-own-friends/

It has not been fair or balanced since the 1930's in the US

But agree, no incident of assault is minor but in this take there are no points of proof (that would stand up in a court) evidence that it occurred,

Read J Edgar Hoover and his control of six Presidents. If you can't get it Bas I can lend it to you. It'l blow your head in on the seppos.

 

[moXJO]

How did that show Kavanaugh's name wasn't mentioned in the therapist's notes?

Which note? The one mentioned to the reporter or all notes from all therapy sessions?

Apparently, if the FBI were permitted to interview Ford by the WH/GOP, her lawyers will make available all the therapist notes.

Since they didn't get to see it, it'll have to be a she said that, her husband corroborated it but then the honorable Judge said something else. Who are we going to believe, right?

and btw, it wasn't her ex-bf that Dr Ford "coached". He accused her of coaching a friend to pass the polygraph. The friend made a statement that that is not the case.

I didn't say the bf was coached.
Check again.

Ford said that Kavanaugh name wasn't in the notes during the hearing.

I asked you for a link about your allegations and you came back with smoke.

I give you info from the horses mouth and you cry foul.

 

[moXJO]

For some reason, the statistics show that about 93% of rape accusation turn out true.

What study does that number come from?

 

[luutzu]

I didn't say the bf was coached.
Check again.

Ford said that Kavanaugh name wasn't in the notes during the hearing.

I asked you for a link about your allegations and you came back with smoke.

I give you info from the horses mouth and you cry foul.

No, the question asked refers to the notes Dr Ford showed or summarised to the reporter.

Her answer of his name not being on it could refer to that note alone, not to all her therapist's notes.

So if the Senators or the FBI care to find out and get to the bottom of that particular line of questioning, maybe go talk to Dr. Ford; go talk to the Therapist; go review all the notes; go speak to friends Dr Ford had spoke to about. etc. etc.

 

[luutzu]

What study does that number come from?

I'll look it up. Heard it from an interview in a news segment - Democracy Now I think it was.

 

[luutzu]

What study does that number come from?

False reporting found to be between 2 and 10%...

Also in the paper, 63% of sexual assault victims never report to the police.

https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

 

[Tisme]

For goodness sake they were little more than upper wild teenage kids.

Time to move on.

And the US is rotten to the core in so many directions (and all sides of politics), as a youngster witnessed their interference in an internal revolution within Vietnam and they bombed innocents with napalm. Will never forget the raw suffering. For 40 years have been underhandedly attacking Syria and many other countries to control oil, and one can go on. Lol, and under the banner of freedom and democracy and the eyes of God; FF sake

Spent lotsa time in USA. The locals are so judgemental they go looking for something to to get overwrought about. The sixties protest years still has a residual effect. They are also congenital liars, convinced they have God on their side.

 

[luutzu]

I didn't say the bf was coached.
Check again....

True, I misread.

Her friend still made a statement, sent to the Senate, saying she was never coached etc. etc. right?

Anyway, I didn't read everything. Just read enough to know that if virgin boy Brett there wouldn't be hired at my imperial court of justice. But that's just me being a fair and learned emperor.

Being a business stooge with profit to be made, clocks to set back, mobs to quiet and women to be put in their place... yea, I'll hire him pretending he's Justice Pao sent to Tang China by the Jade Emperor Himself.

 

[moXJO]

False reporting found to be between 2 and 10%...

Also in the paper, 63% of sexual assault victims never report to the police.

https://www.nsvrc.org/sites/default/files/Publications_NSVRC_Overview_False-Reporting.pdf

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This figure is used a lot, but its been shown to be flawed.
Eugene Kanin found a 40 percent false-report rate. But his was flawed as well.

The truth is we don't really know. It could be lower or higher.
Its also allegations made to police. Not bosses, university, senate inquiries etc

If you look at the current mess in family court you would see the amount of false allegations of abuse though. It happens more then is let on.

No, the question asked refers to the notes Dr Ford showed or summarised to the reporter.

Her answer of his name not being on it could refer to that note alone, not to all her therapist's notes.

So if the Senators or the FBI care to find out and get to the bottom of that particular line of questioning, maybe go talk to Dr. Ford; go talk to the Therapist; go review all the notes; go speak to friends Dr Ford had spoke to about. etc. etc.

Do you not think every note wasn't scoured over endlessly?
They had literally everyone looking for evidence. If it existed it would have sunk Kavanaugh.

No, if it were there it would have been public day 1.

Anyway, I didn't read everything. Just read enough to know that if virgin boy Brett there wouldn't be hired at my imperial court of justice. But that's just me being a fair and learned emperor.

I wouldn’t hire him. But lets face it, how many clean hands are at that level. You gotta step over some bodies to get to emperor you know.

But I wouldn’t string him up in a kangaroo court either....
There just isn't enough evidence. He could be mr clean.

 

[luutzu]

This figure is used a lot, but its been shown to be flawed.
Eugene Kanin found a 40 percent false-report rate. But his was flawed as well.

The truth is we don't really know. It could be lower or higher.
Its also allegations made to police. Not bosses, university, senate inquiries etc

If you look at the current mess in family court you would see the amount of false allegations of abuse though. It happens more then is let on.


Do you not think every note wasn't scoured over endlessly?
They had literally everyone looking for evidence. If it existed it would have sunk Kavanaugh.

No, if it were there it would have been public day 1.



I wouldn’t hire him. But lets face it, how many clean hands are at that level. You gotta step over some bodies to get to emperor you know.

But I wouldn’t string him up in a kangaroo court either....
There just isn't enough evidence. He could be mr clean.

Well, three studies put it between 2% and 10%. Maybe the sampling was wrong... either way, yea, hard to prove sexual assault and rape in a non-public place.

There are lots of things normal peasants like ourselves figured would be obvious in this case... turns out there's another set of rule when it come to the better breed.

Stepping over bodies on your way to the throne is a lot different from raping or murdering your fellow citizen up close and personal like that. We're a nation of law and justice my friend.

So psychotically ordering your airforce to "kill anything that move on anything that fly" [Kissinger], openly talk of carpet bombing, wiping off the face of the Earth countries and cities; starving millions, sanctioning medical supplies or aviation safety hardware... that's protecting the empire, having leadership ability and love of freedom and democracy.

 

[wayneL]

93% true means 7% false grasshopper.

Addirionally you've indulged in the gamblers fallacy, it does not go to the probability in any case, because 100% id true allegations are true and 100% id false allegations are false.

In this case, it turns out to be false, according to the evidence.

So, if you are accused, the statistics are irrelevant, only the evidence can point to the truth, otherwise, based in your probability stats, every male shall be found guilty on probability.

That is just freakin dumb.

 

[luutzu]

93% true means 7% false grasshopper.

Addirionally you've indulged in the gamblers fallacy, it does not go to the probability in any case, because 100% id true allegations are true and 100% id false allegations are false.

In this case, it turns out to be false, according to the evidence.

So, if you are accused, the statistics are irrelevant, only the evidence can point to the truth, otherwise, based in your probability stats, every male shall be found guilty on probability.

That is just freakin dumb.

What evidence? Pictures? Videos? He said, she said?

Trump got caught on a hot mic bragging about sexual assault... there's how many dozens of women coming forward? Meh... can't prove it now can we?

No, 93% probability of an alleged assault mean just that - a high probability that the accusation is not false. That of course does not mean the accusation is true. Hence the call for an independent investigation.

Even if all studies have found the truthful rate to be 100%, there is still a chance that a new case upset that statistic.

In this particular case...

You're asking people to believe that, one, the accuser is making it all up. But if she doesn't make it up, if the attempted rape did happen as it most likely did given Dr Ford's therapy sessions, her husband's statement, her friends, her career choice... you're asking people to believe that she mistaken virgin boy Kavo for some other drunk rapist at the same party where both her account and his diary said their circle of friends hang together.

Anyway...

 

[Tisme]

 

[luutzu]

That's just about the dumbest thing I've ever seen Tisme.

By the lady's own logic, she herself shouldn't be a Canadian because most of the statistics show Canada and Canadians to be overwhelmingly progressive Left, nice and decent folks... not an mean spirited idiot like her, or Jordan Peterson.

Or... following the same line of logic... a drunkard self-entitled spoilt little shiet like Kavanaugh must have attempted to rape a 15 year old girl because most rich spoilt little shiet from powerful families do that kind of crap knowing they can get away with it.

If you want to judge a person's character, maybe start with their chosen profession.

They're both from wealthy and privileged families, it's not reaching too far to think that they are free to choose any career path they wanted.

What did choir boy Kavo there chose to do? Well, after a sting at the local Soup Kitchen, a couple beers, throwing up it seem all through HS and at least first few years at Yale... he chose to become a freakin political operative, twisting laws, finding loopholes to, among other things, make it legal to torture and disappear people.

For his hard work, he got appointed a Judge where he ruled almost all the time against victims of corporate negligence and abuse. Hence the high ratings and a Trump nomination to be their corporate stooge on the third branch of govt.

Contrast that to Dr Ford... a scholar, a researcher, specialising in what? Trauma? Oh, trying to help victims and sufferer of abuse.

What a nasty greedy lying devil she is.

And oh... she is so cunning about opposing any Republican nominee that when she heard Kavo was on the short list, she called her state's Congress person to warn them that Kavo attempted to rape her so let it be known to the WH not to nominate him.

Wow, such a Machiavellian woman. Trying to hurt poor Judge Kavo from his lifelong dream of coaching his daughters' football team and bringing Justice to all Americans, incorporated or filthy rich.

 

[sptrawler]

Polygraphs are unreliable that's why they are not used in court.

If you can reduce your stress levels by actually believing a lie then you will pass a polygraph.

Not saying that's what happened, but it's possible.

A bit like you saying, silly Billy will be good for us.

Sorry, my apologies, just couldn't let the opening go by, without a shot.

 

[wayneL]

That's just about the dumbest thing I've ever seen Tisme.

By the lady's own logic, she herself shouldn't be a Canadian because most of the statistics show Canada and Canadians to be overwhelmingly progressive Left, nice and decent folks... not an mean spirited idiot like her, or Jordan Peterson.

Or... following the same line of logic... a drunkard self-entitled spoilt little shiet like Kavanaugh must have attempted to rape a 15 year old girl because most rich spoilt little shiet from powerful families do that kind of crap knowing they can get away with it.

If you want to judge a person's character, maybe start with their chosen profession.

They're both from wealthy and privileged families, it's not reaching too far to think that they are free to choose any career path they wanted.

What did choir boy Kavo there chose to do? Well, after a sting at the local Soup Kitchen, a couple beers, throwing up it seem all through HS and at least first few years at Yale... he chose to become a freakin political operative, twisting laws, finding loopholes to, among other things, make it legal to torture and disappear people.

For his hard work, he got appointed a Judge where he ruled almost all the time against victims of corporate negligence and abuse. Hence the high ratings and a Trump nomination to be their corporate stooge on the third branch of govt.

Contrast that to Dr Ford... a scholar, a researcher, specialising in what? Trauma? Oh, trying to help victims and sufferer of abuse.

What a nasty greedy lying devil she is.

And oh... she is so cunning about opposing any Republican nominee that when she heard Kavo was on the short list, she called her state's Congress person to warn them that Kavo attempted to rape her so let it be known to the WH not to nominate him.

Wow, such a Machiavellian woman. Trying to hurt poor Judge Kavo from his lifelong dream of coaching his daughters' football team and bringing Justice to all Americans, incorporated or filthy rich.

And this is exactly why the left are starting to lose and will continue to lose, creating narratives despite due process and fact rather than following due process and fact.

And you are collectively becoming shouty violent, another losing strategy.

...and the plebs are walking up to it.

 

[Tisme]

That's just about the dumbest thing I've ever seen Tisme.

By the lady's own logic, she herself shouldn't be a Canadian because most of the statistics show Canada and Canadians to be overwhelmingly progressive Left, nice and decent folks... not an mean spirited idiot like her, or Jordan Peterson.

Or... following the same line of logic... a drunkard self-entitled spoilt little shiet like Kavanaugh must have attempted to rape a 15 year old girl because most rich spoilt little shiet from powerful families do that kind of crap knowing they can get away with it.

If you want to judge a person's character, maybe start with their chosen profession.

They're both from wealthy and privileged families, it's not reaching too far to think that they are free to choose any career path they wanted.

What did choir boy Kavo there chose to do? Well, after a sting at the local Soup Kitchen, a couple beers, throwing up it seem all through HS and at least first few years at Yale... he chose to become a freakin political operative, twisting laws, finding loopholes to, among other things, make it legal to torture and disappear people.

For his hard work, he got appointed a Judge where he ruled almost all the time against victims of corporate negligence and abuse. Hence the high ratings and a Trump nomination to be their corporate stooge on the third branch of govt.

Contrast that to Dr Ford... a scholar, a researcher, specialising in what? Trauma? Oh, trying to help victims and sufferer of abuse.

What a nasty greedy lying devil she is.

And oh... she is so cunning about opposing any Republican nominee that when she heard Kavo was on the short list, she called her state's Congress person to warn them that Kavo attempted to rape her so let it be known to the WH not to nominate him.

Wow, such a Machiavellian woman. Trying to hurt poor Judge Kavo from his lifelong dream of coaching his daughters' football team and bringing Justice to all Americans, incorporated or filthy rich.

OK. who ever has kidnapped luutzu, please untie him and swap seats.

 

[luutzu]

And this is exactly why the left are starting to lose and will continue to lose, creating narratives despite due process and fact rather than following due process and fact.

And you are collectively becoming shouty violent, another losing strategy.

...and the plebs are walking up to it.

I think most people do not identify themselves as Left or Right. They're just categorised as such so it's easier to massage the message for those ads.

There's always been one party in all the regimes of the world anyway. So left, right... meh. More like masters and slaves.

And if you watch that YT video Tisme linked... yea, that's passing for news and insights now?

 

[Tisme]

Whoops spoke too soon, now the Democrats and social robots are talking impeachment of Kavanaugh.

I can see the sun setting on the US Empire sooner than later given these historically repetitive signals of decline in national social cohesion and identity.

I think it was Roosevelt who advocated the world wanted to be like the USA with the four freedoms at its core and declared the US the new number one. That's wot, 77 years ago ... some empire, won't make 100 years the way its going