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This is a difference between the accused and the accuser. The burden of proof is on the accuser, to be otherwise would mean most of us would dob ourselves in for being a menace to society at some stage in our life (sans Bas of course ).
 
Knobby22 said:
I don't care but it's all a bit ridiculous.
This is a sign of where the world is going.
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A world full of potato heads, with sparse pockets comprising mystical beings who practice the fabled ancient art of "freethought"?
 
Actually, maybe it's not so crazy. What if the FBI actually find evidence that kav has committed a crime here and end up getting a conviction. Would people say that justice has been served or will it just be another witch hunt over?
 
CanOz said:
Actually, maybe it's not so crazy. What if the FBI actually find evidence that kav has committed a crime here and end up getting a conviction. Would people say that justice has been served or will it just be another witch hunt over?
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I guess it depends on the standard of proof required.

If I was in the position to vote for a US Supreme Court judge, I wouldn't vote for Kavanagh in a pink fit, but as a general principle allegations like those against him should be proven, not just related as distant memories from an alcohol induced fog.
 



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O.B. : I was a dude who went to parties in the eighties, and worked on the yearbook staff, so let me shed some light on a few things:

"Boofing" doesn't refer to farts or flatulence. Boofing is a very specific category of anal insertion. He lied about that. Under oath.

"The devil's triangle" is not and has never been a drinking game. It's a euphemism for a threesome involving two men and one woman. He lied about that too. Under oath.

Yearbook editors do not doctor or change copy provided by students for their dedication page without their permission. Whatever he wrote in his yearbook is 100% his own words. He lied about that as well. Under oath.

Just like he lied about his drinking, just like he lied about never having assaulted anyone, just like he lied about the reasons why he won't agree to an FBI investigation to prove his innocence, just like he lied about not having tried to rape Dr. Ford at that party.

The boy who tried to rape Dr. Ford at that party was exactly the same entitled, binge-drinking jock douchebag who got away with the same exact crap at your school in the eighties and nineties.

That's who Brett Kavanaugh is.

I don't even have to believe Dr. Ford. I do, but I don't have to. I just don't believe him. None of what he said today was true, and it was obvious. His lies were absurd and easy to debunk. He isn't even a good liar.

Here's a photo of the real Brett Kavanaugh. Not the sniveling gaslighting jackass in a cheap suit who barked at Senators today and whined about not being handed a job he feels entitled to.

Here's the guy who shoved an innocent girl into a room with his friend, locked the door, tried to rape her, and then went on about his day. That's his true face.

He lied under oath for the better part of an hour today, and every man who grew up in the same era xxxing knows it
 
So the FBI has one whole week to re-examine Brett Kavanaughs background and come to a conclusion on the "credible" allegations that have been made. And then the Senate will vote in Brett Kavanaugh for life as Supreme Court Judge.
 
You know if someone was serious about this investigation they would just investigate Bret Kavanaugh on grounds of perjury. His protestations of being a High School virgin, his deception about the meanings of the various phrases he used in his yearbook, his denial of being a regular drunk would be relatively easy to investigate.
So then you have to ask whether a person who perjures themselves on many relevant facts before a Senate Committe is fit and proper to be a Supreme Court judge.
 
basilio said:
So the FBI has one whole week to re-examine Brett Kavanaughs background and come to a conclusion on the "credible" allegations that have been made. And then the Senate will vote in Brett Kavanaugh for life as Supreme Court Judge.
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It should be a longer investigation that's for sure, considering it's a lifetime appointment.
 

If the FBI aren't stacked by the Trump admin, Kavo there will find the need to take time off to be with his family rather than a lifetime appointment.

Apparently the special counsel hired by the GOP to question Dr Ford asked Kavo a couple questions then suddenly got removed by the same GOP Senators who hired her.

She asked him to clarify a specific date in his diary where he scheduled an afternoon at the gym then on to a pool party which might coincide with Dr Ford's claim.

The wise Senators stopped that line of questioning because they don't like where it's going.
 
Tisme said:
This is a difference between the accused and the accuser. The burden of proof is on the accuser, to be otherwise would mean most of us would dob ourselves in for being a menace to society at some stage in our life (sans Bas of course ).
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Some of us, not most. Most of us are law abiding citizen. Just like most of us don't like "beer" so much drink ourselves blank.

The FBI might demand a bit more proof than a signed statement of innocence from Kavo's best buddy though. Jeez man, how do you get out of a rape accusation with a letter from your lawyer saying you didn't do it.

I also like the outraged and righteous anger Senator Graham felt for Kavanaugh. He goes on and on about the injustices, the reputation... then... "Judge Kavanaugh, are you a gang banger?".

Kavo: "No."

Alright then. See?
 
It seems that this was the push that persuaded Senater Flake to demand an FBI investigation before he would would allow the nomination of Brett Kavanaugh.

In the elevator video, two rape survivors show how democracy works
Jill Abramson
Anyone needing a lesson in how American democracy should work must watch Ana Maria Archila and Maria Gallagher hold Jeff Flake to account

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‘It was thrilling to watch, not because a senator was being put on the spot but because this is what it means for citizens to hold power to account.’
Truth spoke to power. And the US Senate finally listened.

In the end, after a full day of official Senate hearings, all it took was two gutsy women, Ana Maria Archila and Maria Gallagher, to stop the confirmation of Brett Kavanaugh. The two women, who said they were survivors of sexual assault, stubbornly refused to let the elevator doors close as Senator Jeff Flake, the critical swing vote on the Senate judiciary committee, was on his way to cast his vote to advance the supreme court nominee.

That was before he got in the elevator. Archila and Gallagher blocked him from scurrying away. Archila, who had never told her story of being raped as a small child, spoke first.


Rape survivors' powerful rebuke to Jeff Flake a key moment on day of drama
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“I told it because I recognized in Dr Ford’s story that she is telling the truth,” she told Flake, her voice breaking with emotion. “What you are doing is allowing someone who actually violated a woman to sit on the supreme court. This is not tolerable. You have children in your family. Think about them.” She wanted him to feel her fury.

Then came Gallagher. “I was sexually assaulted and nobody believed me,” she said. “I didn’t tell anyone, and you’re telling all women that they don’t matter.” The women protesting with them gained strength as they spoke. The elevator doors began to close but the crowd made sure they didn’t.
https://www.theguardian.com/comment...o-ana-maria-archila-maria-gallagher-democracy
 
Trump orders FBI to conduct "supplemental investigation" into Kavanaugh allegations — live updates

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kavana...o-confirm-supreme-court-nominee-live-updates/

I guess they will get there in the end with the FBI involvement. However, if both sides say different then one has obviously lied. If a person lies to the FBI it is a criminal offence and the accuser has no defence or the accused. So the matter is set to run and run.

A person is a survivor unless they lied. So the matter is yet to conclude as either side could be described as a potential survivor.

Both parties had plenty of time to learn their lines. Have a look at some videos of the case and see who it was who was reading from notes nearly all of the time. Both sides are intelligent people, one a doctor and one a lawyer. Was there a need for one party to read the notes and not go from memory?

Therefore I know who lied! Do you?
 
I haven't watched the videos but i can tell you that with any kind of public speaking you are gonna need notes, FFS!!
 

Maybe he should have read more....
 
CanOz said:
I haven't watched the videos but i can tell you that with any kind of public speaking you are gonna need notes, FFS!!
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A person can have notes which are prompts but there should be no need to keep reading. In the same situation if I continued reading at length it would mean I was having difficulty learning my lines, just like an actor or actress. If something happened a long time ago and it was very dramatic then it should be remembered. At age 5 I suffered a fall and that's something in my mind to this very day, no need for notes, despite being more than 50 years ago. The scars are reminders.

There are some who can speak for an hour or more without notes. The Federal Parliament doesn't allow a person to read just from notes. As they would say, learn it.
 
I'm a little surprised one of the Republican Senators let his morals get in the way of politics. The powers that be will need to kick him out to warn the others to toe the line. I mean what's the point of Rupert telling the President what to do when one of the drones tries to think independently of Fox?
 
Barbara Heineback on ABC news right now saying it as it is and lamenting the spectacle, the theatre, the women trashed by the #metoo/feminist cause, the damage being done to the USA democracy with the inquisition of a potential supreme court justice....and she's black and a female = traitor material for some.
 
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