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Govt, Muslim advisers clash on Hizbollah

August 2, 2006 - 6:19PM

The government is on a collision course with its Muslim advisory group over its claim that Hizbollah should not be considered a terrorist organisation.

The Muslim Community Reference Group is considering writing to Prime Minister John Howard asking the government to reconsider its listing of the militant arm of Hizbollah as a terrorist organisation.

The group is meeting Thursday and will decide whether to put the demand to Mr Howard.

But any call for the government to change its position on Hizbollah, which has been engaged in open warfare with Israel for the past three weeks, would appear to be futile.

Mr Howard made it clear Wednesday the government had no intention of removing the militant arm of Hizbollah from its official list of terrorist organisations.

"No chance, full stop. No chance at all (of removing Hizbollah from the list)," Mr Howard told reporters.

Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said the decision to ban Hizbollah, which was first listed in 2003, had not been made lightly.

"They're not decisions which are political," he said.

However, the government would be willing to consider new information which may cause it to reassess the listing.

"Obviously we look at these issues from time to time to see whether circumstances change," Mr Ruddock said.

"I'm not aware of any information that would suggest we should reconsider proscription of the military wing of Hizbollah."

But Ameer Ali, chairman of the Muslim advisory group set up last year in the wake of the London terrorist bombings, says Hizbollah should not be lumped in with groups like al-Qaeda.

"They should not condemn Hizbollah as a terrorist group," he told AAP.

"I don't think they should judge that they are simply a terrorist organisation like al-Qaeda.

"It is part of Lebanese politics."

On its national security website, the government says that Australian Security Intelligence Organisation believes Hizbollah's military wing is continuing to prepare, plan and foster the commission of acts involving threats to human life and serious damage to property.

"Such acts include those made with the intention of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause and with the intention of coercing or influencing by intimidation, US, Israeli and other Western governments."

Dr Ali believes the government's assessment of Hizbollah is clouded by the US and Israel.

"We are of the opinion that the Australian government does not have an independent foreign policy with regard to the Middle East," he told ABC Radio.

"We go along with whatever the Americans say and the Americans go along with whatever the Israeli lobby says."

© 2006 AAP


Hey WayneL and Godfather3 why dont you lobby with em as well
 
http://www.theage.com.au/news/natio...banon-charities/2006/08/02/1154198193675.html

Terror warning over Lebanon charities


Kenneth Nguyen, Legal Affairs Reporter
August 2, 2006 - 4:20PM
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Australians wanting to donate to war-ravaged communities in Lebanon have been warned to stick with established charities, lest they inadvertently contravene Australia's broad anti-terrorism laws.

Under the Commonwealth Criminal Code Act, Australians may be jailed for up to 15 years if they give financial aid to an organisation that turns out to be a terrorist organisation and are "reckless" as to whether the organisation is a terrorist organisation. It is not necessary for the person to know that the organisation is a terrorist organisation.

Public law expert Professor George Williams, of the University of New South Wales, said Australians should be on safe legal ground if they donated to prominent charities.

"But if it's a different body, they should exercise great caution just in case it's a body that ... may be on the Government's banned list," he told theage.com.au.

"People may make an honest mistake but still fall foul of the law. It may be unfortunately easy to be 'reckless' in the current environment."

A particular danger is involved when donating to Hezbollah. Donations to Hezbollah's civilian arm, which runs extensive social development programs including health and education projects, might involve little legal risk. A mistaken donation to Hezbollah's military wing - which, unlike the rest of Hezbollah, is listed as a terrorist organisation under the Criminal Code Act - is a very different matter.

"It does show when you deal with Hezbollah you have to exercise extreme caution," said Professor Williams.

"How many people would know the difference between the political and military wing? It's often not easy to distinguish between them."

The listing of Hezbollah External Security Organisation as a terrorist organisation by the Australian Government means it is illegal for Australians to join its fighting force, train with them or recruit for them. There is no equivalent ban on joining or training with the Israeli military.

theage.com.au
 
TheAnalyst said:
http://www.theage.com.au/news/Natio...sh-on-Hizbollah/2006/08/02/1154198198226.html


Govt, Muslim advisers clash on Hizbollah

August 2, 2006 - 6:19PM

The government is on a collision course with its Muslim advisory group over its claim that Hizbollah should not be considered a terrorist organisation.

The Muslim Community Reference Group is considering writing to Prime Minister John Howard asking the government to reconsider its listing of the militant arm of Hizbollah as a terrorist organisation.

The group is meeting Thursday and will decide whether to put the demand to Mr Howard.

But any call for the government to change its position on Hizbollah, which has been engaged in open warfare with Israel for the past three weeks, would appear to be futile.

Mr Howard made it clear Wednesday the government had no intention of removing the militant arm of Hizbollah from its official list of terrorist organisations.

"No chance, full stop. No chance at all (of removing Hizbollah from the list)," Mr Howard told reporters.

Attorney-General Philip Ruddock said the decision to ban Hizbollah, which was first listed in 2003, had not been made lightly.

"They're not decisions which are political," he said.

However, the government would be willing to consider new information which may cause it to reassess the listing.

"Obviously we look at these issues from time to time to see whether circumstances change," Mr Ruddock said.

"I'm not aware of any information that would suggest we should reconsider proscription of the military wing of Hizbollah."

But Ameer Ali, chairman of the Muslim advisory group set up last year in the wake of the London terrorist bombings, says Hizbollah should not be lumped in with groups like al-Qaeda.

"They should not condemn Hizbollah as a terrorist group," he told AAP.

"I don't think they should judge that they are simply a terrorist organisation like al-Qaeda.

"It is part of Lebanese politics."

On its national security website, the government says that Australian Security Intelligence Organisation believes Hizbollah's military wing is continuing to prepare, plan and foster the commission of acts involving threats to human life and serious damage to property.

"Such acts include those made with the intention of advancing a political, religious or ideological cause and with the intention of coercing or influencing by intimidation, US, Israeli and other Western governments."

Dr Ali believes the government's assessment of Hizbollah is clouded by the US and Israel.

"We are of the opinion that the Australian government does not have an independent foreign policy with regard to the Middle East," he told ABC Radio.

"We go along with whatever the Americans say and the Americans go along with whatever the Israeli lobby says."

© 2006 AAP


Hey WayneL and Godfather3 why dont you lobby with em as well

Why don't you have a 7 day holiday?
 
wayneL said:
Why don't you have a 7 day holiday?

Hey WayneL, if u ignore a crying baby long enough they eventually fall asleep (or go away)....maybe this is something we need to keep in mind with Analyst......im pretty sure I opted out of posting on this thread because I prefer not to lower myself to his level.......looks like analyst likes me though coz he cant but keep trying to pull me in :) .....hey analyst, I know they say u cant forgive stupidity but I forgive you :D ......keep dragging me in mate....i think your posts have proved to everyone here that u r just a scared and insecure little person :( ......
 
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the_godfather4 said:
Hey WayneL, if u ignore a crying baby long enough they eventually fall asleep (or go away)....maybe this is something we need to keep in mind with Analyst......im pretty sure I opted out of posting on this thread because I prefer not to lower myself to his level.......looks like analyst likes me though coz he cant but keep trying to pull me in :) .....hey analyst, I know they say u cant forgive stupidity but I forgive you :D ......keep dragging me in mate....i think your posts have proved to everyone here that u r just a scared and insecure little person :( ......

I just lowered myself to your level Analyst.......I really am sorry :banghead: .....I will leave it to u......... looking forward to your next allegation/accusation.......
 
TheAnalyst said:
......like for instance Rafa, God3 and WayneL that you are traitors to your country and its armed forces and think you should go live in Syria, Iran or Lebonon and dont come back as you are a high treason risk and should be placed on the ASIO security warning list.

SO far analyst has labelled me (as well as others) all of the above plus more than I care to repeat all because I disagree with his point of view.....he believes I support hezbollah because I dont agree with his pro-zionist posts.......when in fact this is what I am against ...... www.lebanonunderattack.com ........I know I have pasted this very graphic link on another thread but I figure if I disagree with what is shown on this link and analyst labels me "a threat"........then obviously Analyst has "deceptive genocide (of ethnics) support" and actually thinks the innocent people in those pics deserve what they are getting (maybe coz they r a little different to the way we look).......Sick really :eek: .....who is the REAL threat to our national security when u have citizens(?) like analyst who actually believe that this is right :cautious: .....people like this normally end up on tv with neighbours saying that they were really quiet and kept mainly to themselves and did not realise they were a serial killer who preyed on innocent little 'ethnic' kids.......... :eek:
 
Snake Pliskin said:
A little childish it is becomming.

I agree.

It scares me that people can be so fanatic in their beliefs to be unable to assess a situation with any objectivity, but as one poster said, we live in a democracy so they have every right to do so. They also have a right to an opinion.

The idea of this section of the forum is to let people discuss the issues intelligently. This thread has gone for four pages now and its not going anywhere but more name calling.

I'd like to leave you with this image.

Retarded.jpg


PS. No disrespect to mentally/physically disabled individuals intended.
 
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