Deceptive Terrorism Support

[TheAnalyst]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19950784-1702,00.html

Lebanon protesters mob PM's car
July 29, 2006
VIOLENT scuffles have broken out between police and Lebanese protesters who mobbed Prime Minister John Howard's car as he left a Liberal Party conference in Perth.

Mr Howard was leaving the Western Australian Liberal Party state conference when about 200 protesters, many of whom were waving Lebanese flags and shouting "we want peace", mobbed his vehicle.

Protesters punched, kicked and threw projectiles at Mr Howard's car as police struggled to keep them at bay.

Mr Howard's entourage sped from the scene as police wrestled protesters to the ground.

The Prime Minister said this week he understood Israel's decision to carry out its devastating military offensive against Lebanon to put an end to attacks by Hezbollah guerillas who have fired rockets deep into Israeli territory and are holding two Israeli soldiers captive.


Get rid of these aussie hating vermon....

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

It appears the bleeding hearts are in denial.

Israel and PALESTINE are both not adhearing to resolutions imposed on them.
Lebanon is supporting a terrorist organisation (supported by Australians) on its soil.
Iran is a threat to the world stability.
Israel must eliminate Hezbollah.
Israel wants peace but never gets it.
Palestine wants peace, but never gives it a chance.
Australians enjoy a good quality of life devoid of tribal factions and religious law. (some want this changed)
Books of hate towards western values are sold by immigrants.

Bleeding hearts wakeup and smell the roses. Free speech of journalists should not be labelled biased when composed with fact.

Analyst thanks for the posts and your concern is not misunderstood here.
Wayne, why not add another passport to your list Though keep posting your thoughts.

Enjoy your evening.

 

[wayneL]

You can continue to use right wing nationalistic cliche's all you like Snake. I will continue to add balance.

I don't for one moment support Hezbollah or what the protesters did today. Nor do I support the behaviour of immigrants who are antagonistic towards Oz.

Please do not interpret criticism of Israel as support for Hezbollah, that is downright dishonest; shame on you for inferring that.

I simply point out that Israel is not the white hat. Bombing civilians is terrorism, whether perpetrated by Hezbollah or Israel.

Good evening.

 

[the_godfather4]

You can continue to use right wing nationalistic cliche's all you like Snake. I will continue to add balance.

I don't for one moment support Hezbollah or what the protesters did today. Nor do I support the behaviour of immigrants who are antagonistic towards Oz.

Please do not interpret criticism of Israel as support for Hezbollah, that is downright dishonest; shame on you for inferring that.

I simply point out that Israel is not the white hat. Bombing civilians is terrorism, whether perpetrated by Hezbollah or Israel.

Good evening.

Amen to that!

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Please do not interpret criticism of Israel as support for Hezbollah, that is downright dishonest; shame on you for inferring that.

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Amen to that!

:sleeping:

 

[the_godfather4]

:sleeping:

Im still taking the peaceful route.....no more tit for tat with me.

Snake, i forgive u.

Considering changing from the_godfather4 to "the_pope"

Watch this space

 

[the_godfather4]

:sleeping:

Sweet dreams

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

Wayne,

I am still waiting for you to highlight my inference. Be careful of accusations!

 

[wayneL]

It appears the bleeding hearts are in denial.

Israel and PALESTINE are both not adhearing to resolutions imposed on them.
Lebanon is supporting a terrorist organisation (supported by Australians) on its soil.
Iran is a threat to the world stability.
Israel must eliminate Hezbollah.
Israel wants peace but never gets it.
Palestine wants peace, but never gives it a chance.
Australians enjoy a good quality of life devoid of tribal factions and religious law. (some want this changed)
Books of hate towards western values are sold by immigrants.

Bleeding hearts wakeup and smell the roses. Free speech of journalists should not be labelled biased when composed with fact.

Analyst thanks for the posts and your concern is not misunderstood here.
Wayne, why not add another passport to your list Though keep posting your thoughts.

Enjoy your evening.

I took that, in the context of the rest of the post, as the inference.

If I have misinterpreted, then I apologise. But am now at a loss as to what that meant. What did it mean?

 

[It's Snake Pliskin]

I took that, in the context of the rest of the post, as the inference.

If I have misinterpreted, then I apologise. But am now at a loss as to what that meant. What did it mean?

Wayne,

Inferences are quite clear and unambiguous. I accept your apology with kisses and hugs. :blover:

I`m sorry if I have unnerved you, but it was sought of a joke. You have three passports, so think yourself very lucky.

 

[TheAnalyst]

Im still taking the peaceful route.....no more tit for tat with me.

Snake, i forgive u.

Considering changing from the_godfather4 to "the_pope"

Watch this space

Britain's Prime minister took the false peaceful route as well prior to WW2 so tell that to the dead an maimed of that era........

 

[wayneL]

Britain's Prime minister took the false peaceful route as well prior to WW2 so tell that to the dead an maimed of that era........

So Chamberlain should have attacked Germany? How would that have avoided dead and maimed? Hang on.. I understand now! Thats why the US invaded Iraq!! To avoid their being any dead and maimed right?

Maybe we should attack Muslim Indonesia... just to avoid dead and maimed in the future

 

[Sean K]

I think there are just too many people on the planet atm. It's human nature to defend our territory, and be untrustful. It's a natural survival mechanism. The more populous we become the more likely there is conflict.

I'd be interested to know peoples opinions on the origin of the conflict in the Middle East. The route cause.

By my understanding, the conflict in the Middle East started around the time the Israelites led by Moses and Aron invaded Palestine. Sure there were other tribal wars but this was the catalyst for the religious based conflicts we see today. By history, 'Israel' is not the righful owner of the Middle East. They originally took it by force under the authority of God and then had it handed to them after WWII by the UN as an apology for the holocaust. Happy to be corrected there.

How do we solve it?

I think the only way we can live in harmony is a massive culling of the human population across the region, and for that matter, the planet. Obviously, I don't advocate a deliberate program to accomplish that, but we have done our best over the last hundred years to achieve this by proxi. That is, world wars, genocide, etc.

I think in the end, Mother Earth will accomplish it for us one way or the other.

 

[Rafa]

Analyst...
Glad your on LPG.... but I take it you understand the drift of my post...?

Also, apologies for calling you a Jew...
(not that there is anything wrong with that... sorry, couldn't resist an old Seinfeld saying )


Kennas, once again you make a good point...

On the issue of how Israel got there in the first place... SBS is doing a doco on Israel and the historical accuracy of the Old Testament... 7:30pm Sunday... last episode is next Sunday, must watch...

To give you a brief synopsis of the story / history so far...

Abraham was the founding father of the Israelites 15th century BC.... (some evidence of this found),

The Egyptians were the dominant empire of the time, and Abrahams descendants were slaves to the Egytians..., (some evidence of this found),

Moses led an exodus, into Canaan, tho it certainly was't 2million Jews, maybe a few hundred, via the south of Sinai, (circumstantial evidence of this found),

The people settled in two regions, Israel in the North (rich and fertile) and Judah in the south (arid and poor)

David, Solomon, etc were chiefs of small tribes in Judah between the 10th and 9th centuries BC

Israel was invaded by the Assyrian empire in the 8th century BC and amalgamated with it, Judah was left alone cause it was so poor...

Josiah, the ruler of Judah in the 7th century BC, discovered / wrote the books recounting the stories of Genesis, the partriarchs (abraham and co), exodus, with moses, and then the great kings David and Solomon, of whom he was a descendant...

These form the founding books of the Torah… His aim, to unite all the tribes of the region to a single cause and to worship on God, who resides in Jerusalem (and hence making Jerusalem the Capital)… The new religion of Judah…. Judaism.



The first five books recount legends past down from generation to generation, and naturally they added their own exaggerations to it!

Historically, not completely accurate, tho it served to inform the people that...
1. Israel/Judah is the chosen land for the people
2. Israel did once belong to Jews, not the Assyrians and it was a powerful kingdom
2. David was the original king of Israel / Judah and Solomon, his son, turned Israel / Judah into the mighty empire...
3. Josiah as descendant of David, is the rightful ruler of Judah, as well as Israel in the north, if they can capture it back from the Assyrians.

So that is it… The great wars fought by David, Solomon and co… the mass genocide, etc… DID NOT happen, and if it did, it certainly did not happen at the hands of the Jews… they simply weren’t strong or powerful enough at the time, contrary to what the Book of Kings said… e.g. the walls of Jericho were already down by the time the Jews rocked up… maybe the Assyrian or Mesopotamian empires before that did the damage… or GOD… but you can see why it looked like a miracle…

Regardless, the Jews did have abode in Israel and Judah… from the 10th century BC onwards… in relatively peaceful circumstances…

However, writing about supposed past wars and battles and heroic ancestors, did certainly help instil a sense of nationalism and pride amongst the inhabitants of Judah… And it also confirmed the validity and authority of Lineage… Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon and Josiah…

There it is… (one more series to go next Sunday 7:30…)…

 

[Sean K]

Thanks Rafa. Good summary. I've read all this in various places but it would have been great to see it on the box. Damn! Will try and tune in next Sunday, but I'm usually at a pub down the road at that time eating pizza.

 

[rub92me]

Reading the various opinons on this thread reminded me of the Roger Waters lyrics from 'Too much rope' :
Moslim or Christian, Mullah or Pope.
Preacher or poet, who is it wrote.
Give any one species too much rope.
And they'll f*** it up...

 

[TheAnalyst]

http://www.theage.com.au/news/national/witness-disrupts-terror-hearing/2006/07/31/1154198056859.html

Witness disrupts terror hearing

Ian Munro
July 31, 2006 - 2:58PM
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A terrorism committal hearing in Melbourne erupted in uproar after a witness gestured at the defendants, calling them "animals".

Witness Mahmoud Khodr admitted making the gesture when he was recalled to the court.

He said: "I stuck my finger up at one of the animals in the back."

Two spectators in the court were ejected as several of the defendants rose to their feet and one of the spectators called, "Animals, animals ”” why are they animals?"

Mr Khodr, who had earlier told the court of a trip to a Melbourne gun shop with one of the accused, explained that his grievance was personal.

"They robbed my house, that's the only reason I hate them," he said.

Magistrate Paul Smith described the interruptions as inexcusable and said he would not tolerate any repeat performance as the two spectators were taken from the court.

Neighbour 'suspected accused'

The court also heard today that a Melbourne man became suspicious of his neighbour during a conversation about the war in Iraq and was struck by the "piercing eyes" of Ahmed Raad, one of 13 men alleged to have formed a terror cell in Melbourne.

Raad, 23, of Fawkner, is one of 13 men charged with being a member of a terrorist group. Ten of the men accused were arrested in Melbourne and Sydney in November last year, another three in March this year.

Raad's neighbour Roberto Vinci said he had also had suspicions about the movements of two cars, which at different times appeared to be hidden in Raad's backyard.

"Both were parked right in the far corners of an otherwise empty yard, which seemed a bit odd," Mr Vinci said in a statement to the Federal Police.

Several weeks after Raad's home was raided in mid-2005, Vinci said that Raad told him: "You download a few pictures and all of a sudden you are a terrorist."

War talk 'suspicious'

Raad told him that Muslims were being blamed for a lot of ills in the world and were being victimised.

Mr Vinci said he had nothing against Raad, who mostly seemed friendly and approachable, but he had been alarmed during their conversation about the war.

"That's when the look in his eye changed and he had a really serious, piercing look in his eyes. That's when he said, 'They brought war to my country, and it's too late now, and the war has come to their country'."

The committal hearing, which began on July 24, was stalled last week when only seven of the accused turned up to court.

Some had been left behind at Barwon Prison after a transport mix-up, but the group's most central figure, Abdul Benbrika, claimed to have been bashed while being taken to an earlier court appearance.

Benbrika, 46, of Dallas, is facing six charges, including directing and supporting a terrorist organisation, with maximum penalties ranging from 10 to 25 years' jail.

Others facing charges are Aimen Joud, 21, of Hoppers Crossing, Fadal Sayadi, 26, of Coburg, Amer Haddara, 26, of Yarraville, Shane Kent, 29, of Meadow Heights, Abdulla Merhi, 21, of Fawkner, Hany Taha, 31, of Hadfield, Izzy Deen Atik, 26, of Williamstown, Bassam Raad, 24, of Brunswick, Majed Raad, 22, of Coburg, Shoue Hammoud, 26, of Hadfield, and Ezzit Raad, 24, of Preston.

All 13 suspects appeared in court today. They appeared in good spirits, laughing and joking among themselves when they arrived.

theage.com.au

 

[TheAnalyst]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19991201-7582,00.html

ABC sorry for bias on children's show
Caroline Overington
August 02, 2006
THE ABC has apologised to the Jewish community for presenting biased, anti-Israeli information to school children during an episode of Behind the News.

The educational program described Hezbollah terrorists as "soldiers" and as "refugees" whose land had been "taken by Israel".

In a letter to the Executive Council of Australian Jewry, which lodged a formal complaint with Communications Minister Helen Coonan, the ABC admits the information presented on the program was "inappropriate".

Audience liaison manager Denise Musto said the ABC acknowledged "that the content failed to meet the requirements of balance and impartiality".

"In its attempt to be simple and concise, the story did not represent key relevant viewpoints," she said. "Some of the descriptions were over-simplistic and inappropriate."

Behind the News is a news program designed for school students. The episode on the Middle East crisis was shown on July 25, with the transcript removed from the ABC website this week.

Ms Musto said the "errors of judgment" were "regrettable and not indicative of the program's overall high standards". She said the content removed from the web was being reviewed and revised.

Council president Grahame Leonard earlier this week wrote to the ABC and Senator Coonan about "errors and lack of balance" in the program. He said Hezbollah could not accurately be described as a "Palestinian refugee organisation".

"It is an extremist Lebanese Shi'ite Muslim organisation," he said. "Its ideology is the same as that of Iran and includes the destruction of the state of Israel."

ECAJ director Geoffrey Zygier said it was "difficult to reduce a complex issue such as the Middle East to a few simple phrases".

The program said the UN "wants the two groups to stop fighting but Israel says it'll continue to fight until Hezbollah is destroyed", Mr Zygier said.

"It did not say Hezbollah would not stop fighting until all Jews are out of Israel.

"It's just wrong, straight out wrong."

Mr Zygier said the report said Israel was proclaimed a country for the Jewish people in 1948, "taking much of the land from the Palestinian Muslims".

He said that that statement "would not make sense to anybody who had read the Bible".

 

[TheAnalyst]

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,19992668-1702,00.html

Hardline Jews allowed inside mosque
From correspondents in Jerusalem
August 02, 2006
THE Israeli high court today upheld a request by far-right Jewish activists to enter Islam's third holiest shrine, the Al-Aqsa mosque compound, which is also revered by Jews as the Temple Mount.

The decision to allow the controversial visit to the east Jerusalem mosque compound on Thursday was taken despite police warnings that it could spark riots in Israel and the occupied territories.

"The petitioners ... will be allowed to enter Temple Mount during visiting hours," the court decision read.

The small Temple Mount Faithful group requested to visit the compound, where according to Jewish tradition Herod's Temple stood, to mark the Jewish day of mourning for its destruction in 70 BC.

But despite its controversial decision, the court ordered the group's leader, Gershon Salomon, to stay clear from the area of the Temple Mount or the adjacent Western Wall.

The court also ruled that the far-right group, which counts only a few dozen members, should "not be allowed to carry placards or act in a provocative manner".

Israeli Arab MP Mohammed Barakeh said in reaction that allowing the activists to enter the compound would lead to a flare-up.

"The decision is petrol in the hands of declared pyromaniacs and could lead to further violence," he said.

A police spokesman said that "they will not be allowed to pray inside the esplanade and they won't be allowed to enter unless it is open for visits".,P> A similar court decision in July 2001 sparked bloody clashes in Jerusalem in which 15 Israeli policemen and 18 Palestinians were wounded.