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CSM - Consolidated Minerals

An email I sent to the ASX the other day, in response to an email I had received from them to my earlier complaint...

I feel the role of the ASX in relation to the CSM scheme of arrangement appears to be one of a toothless tiger. That is not a slight on the people or the company itself, but rather that there is a large hole through which the director and CEO of any company can avoid giving timely and accurate information. The ASX takes the position that their jurisdiction is limited, and that the timely disclosure rules are "superseded by the requirements of the Corporations Act and the onus of the independent expert's to form a view on the adequacy and reasonableness of the offer". Unfortunately, the fact that independent "experts have relied on information from the directors" rather than undertake sufficient investigations themselves, means there exists the opportunity for directors/CEOs to unreasonably influence the outcome of the "independent" report. This influence could come from omission of information rather than any deliberate lying. This presents an opportunity for unethical directors/CEOs who stand to gain personally from such an omission. I stress that this is a general statement and not necessarily indicative of the actions of the board and CEO of CSM. However, it is clear that they stand to benefit from such a transaction with Pallinghurst going through, and therefore their position is unquestionably compromised. In such situations I feel the ASX should be trying, through all available means, to protect shareholders from any potential unscrupulous dealings.

In the case of CSM, it has historically been a manganese stock, that is, manganese is its main commodity. It was the major contributor to H1 07 EBIT (p5, ASX presentation 23/2/07). However, manganese pricing is 'murky'. The manganese price has gone up from US$2.85 in March this year to US$6.35 per manganese unit (dmtu) CIF on June 14 this year. Given it seems CSM negotiate prices every quarter, this dramatic rise has not yet been put to the market by CSM, possibly because it has not been finalised. Based on a recent article in the AFR on June 15 (Talk of split over $625m ConsMin bid, by Michael Vaughan), I believe they are currently in discussions regarding setting contract prices for next quarter. CEO Mr Baxter stated that "indications were that prices had risen from the first half of 2007", although he did not state the magnitude of the rise. However, a rise similar to what I've just described will clearly have a dramatic effect on the income and profit for CSM, yet the magnitude of this rise has not been adequately disclosed to the market. Can I suggest the ASX ask CSM to state the current manganese market price as quoted by a reputable source, eg Ryan's notes (see Rimtalay's emails for this information) and at the same time get them to state what their contracts have been set at over the past year. I feel this would not force CSM to disclose their "inner workings" regarding contract negotiations, but would allow the 'mum and dad' shareholders to appreciate the marked increase in manganese prices over the current quarter.

To give you a bit of an understanding, below is a comparison of manganese market prices (CIF) and CSM-received prices (FOB) over the past year. Based on the current negotiations, I assume the price in the month preceding each quarter is of most relevance.

July '06-Dec '06: CSM = US$2.10/dmtu, FOB. Mn price May '06 to October '06 = US$2.30-2.45 CIF
Jan '07 -June '07: CSM = ~US$2.5/dmtu, FOB. Mn price mid Nov '06 to end March '07 = US$2.70-2.90 CIF.

This means conversion of CIF to FOB costs about US$0.3-0.4 per dmtu. Even of this increases 100%, it still is only US$0.6-0.8/dmtu.
The current CIF price for June '07 ranges from US$4.90-5.20 at the start of the month to US$6.20-6.50 now. As you can appreciate, the FOB price negotiated in June should be in the range US$4.10 to US$5.70. At the low price of $4.10, this is still 60% above the price received in the last half, all of which essentially becomes profit. After mining costs, this means an increase from about A$9.5M per quarter to A$32M before tax and corporate overheads, even at the low price. Clearly the extra $22M drops to the bottome line after tax, or about $15M NPAT EXTRA in ONE quarter. To put that in perspective, H1 NPAT for ALL operations was only $10.2M. That is why I feel this development is material and requires the ASX to pursue CSM and get them to reveal this manganese pricing information.

I look forward to your response on this matter.
 
CSM hides behind freight costs to mask the true value of manganese to them. They quote FOB but do not give a way to convert that to CIF which are the prices Rimtalay quotes us.
Well, my above post has the answer, but in case you missed it, I'll repeat it here, with PROOF.


Below is a comparison of manganese market prices (CIF) and CSM-received prices (FOB) over the past year. Based on the current negotiations, I assume the price in the month preceding each quarter is of most relevance.

July '06-Dec '06: CSM = US$2.10/dmtu, FOB. Mn price May '06 to October '06 = US$2.30-2.45 CIF (lowest and highest traded prices)
Jan '07 -June '07: CSM = ~US$2.5/dmtu, FOB. Mn price mid Nov '06 to end March '07 = US$2.70-2.90 CIF (lowest and highest traded prices).

So, conversion of CIF to FOB in 06/07 costs about US$0.3-0.4 per dmtu. Even of this increases 100%, it still is only US$0.6-0.8/dmtu.

The current CIF price for June '07 ranges from US$4.90-5.20 at the start of the month to US$6.20-6.50 now. So, the FOB price negotiated in June should be in the range US$4.10 to US$5.70. At the low price of $4.10 FOB, this is still 60% above the price received in the last half, all of which essentially becomes profit. In a year, this means the profit due only to the manganese operation, after mining cost but before corporate overheads, is $128M.
At the price of US$5.70 FOB for a year, profit due only to the manganese operation, after mining cost but before corporate overheads, is $220M.

It is not unreasonable to expect that CSM could earn $150M+ AFTER TAX next financial year, putting it on a PER of 4 or less, or EPS of 67 cents. Why would I give 60% of that away at a discount price??? :banghead:

Assumptions: exch rate 84c.
6k t Ni @US$35k/t, cash cost A$8.
1M t manganese, US$4.70/dmtu FOB, cash costs A$2.2
250k chromite, US$320/t FOB, cash cost A$123.5/t.
Selling/admin finance costs $85M.
 
In the scheme document
A) Did ConsMin management tell shareholders that JML has gone up 60% since the takeover announcement in Feb? NO
B) Did ConsMin management tell shareholders that BCI has gone up 250% since the takeover announcement in Feb? NO
C) Did ConsMin management tell shareholders that manganese ore prices have gone up 120% since the announcement? NO
D) Did ConsMin management tell shareholders that they plan to steal their shares? NO
E) Did ConsMin management tell shareholders that they plan to hand Gilbertson $170 million profit before shareholders break-even? NO

VOTE NO
 
send out my vote this morning.

should we start to look at the possible candidates for new management???

hopeless bunch! bring kiernan back!!!!!!
 
So Gilbo ups the price by 30 cents per share (+ the 4.5 c divvy). Well, at the increased Mn price, he just about gets all the 30 cents back (guaranteed) in one quarter of manganese mining!
IF Mn stayed at that very good price for the year (US$7.35), that equals ~$270M after mining costs, and using all my other assumptions in the earlier post on June 21, then CSM is in line to earn $220M NPAT, or 97 cents per share. Sorry Gilbo, still not enough.

Cheers!
 
pretty stingy 30cts i reckon.

possible reflection that our knight in shining armour is far far away! buy volumes building up though.
 
What a difference good management makes, during the Tethyen copper co takeover offer the management were working for their shareholders and an excellent result for loyal shareholders came through in the end, I'm still holding my CSM shares at least until a better offer comes along and it will, porkpie
 
Hi folks,

Received my offer document yesterday - what a disappointment & expensive exercise it all is.

Really appreciate Sainters well researched intelligent comments & motivation in the matter, along with others participation in this forum.

Despite yesterdays announcements I've made my stand at what I think of the deal & voted with a firm "NO".

Regards

Kooka
 
I received my 'Scheme Booklet' today....

Since when is a 432 page document of fine print a 'booklet'?????? :eek:

What a joke. What are they hiding in there that a layman like me will never find or understand?

The one thing I do understand is why Warren Buffett says to only invest n companies that have good management and are candid about what they're doing.

Why the heck I bought into CSM I have no idea, it certainly doesn't meet the criteria.

However, I'll continue to hold just for the sake of it for the time being. :rolleyes:
 
Vote No team members have said NO, NO WAY.
Too little and too late.
The manganese price is now out in the public arena, and we have to thank all Vote No team members who have hounded and harrassed ASX and ASIC for weeks over the continuous disclosure requirements. Mr Baxter told me ( in writing) that he would NOT update the market for manganese ore pricing.
Now that the manganese ore prices are out in the open, ConsMin shareholders will now benefit and hopefully everyone will vote NO to the deal at the present price.
Manganese will make CSM many of $100's millions next year.
http://www.stockinterview.com/News/06262007/stealth-bull-market-manganese.html
Good luck for all ConsMinb holders and thanks for everyones support.
 
Attention ALL CSM shareholders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just read through the proxy form they sent out and it states the following:


"I/We being a member/s of Consolidated Minerals Limited and entitled to attend and vote hereby appoint (Chairman or individual or body corporate)"

At this point the Chairman or individual or body corporate will vote as you direct them on the form. i.e. tick AGAINST


continues on...

"failing the individual or body corporate named or if no individual or body corporate is named, the Chairman of the Meeting, as my/our proxy to act generally at the meeting on my/our behalf and to vote in accordance with the following directions"

So if you fail to nominate the Chairman or individual or body corporate as your proxy, the Chairman of the Meeting will be automatically assigned as your proxy.



continues on....

"(or if NO directions have been given, AS THE PROXY SEES FIT)"

Below the voting box section it states:

The Chairman of the Meeting intends to vote undirected proxies in FAVOUR (i.e. FOR) of the item of business.


Which means he will approve the Share Scheme on your behalf, so if you do not direct them they will assume that you are FOR the TAKEOVER. Hence by not filing out the proxy form you are automatically VOTING FOR the takeover!!!


Hence why everyone needs to appoint the Chairman or individual or body corporate as their proxy if they are unable to attend and tick the AGAINST box, then the Chairman must put your votes (remember every share you hold counts as a vote) in the AGAINST column, preventing the takeover from going ahead!!!!!


HENCE EVERYONE WHO HOLDS CSM SHARES NEEDS TO COMPLETE THE FORM THE SEND OUT AND SEND IT BACK FOR YOUR VOTES TO COUNT AGAINST THE TAKEOVER!!!!
 
Yes, please everyone make sure that you complete the proxy form and vote against the proposal.
But I haer that Baxter will not attend the Xmas Party this year
 
Iam with you guys to vote no! If Pallinghurst can offer an additional 30 cents, you can bet your boots this will be on the lower end of the scale. I believe they can offer more.The 30 cents is for the "suckers".:rolleyes:
 
looks like someone in the media (west australian) has a tag on CSM. the paper had half-page write up on CSM yesterday and today. A bit by AFR (yesterday & today) as well... mostly on possible Kiernan as a rival bid.

did anyone read the today's CSM ann? it just strengthen the fact that this management SUCKS!

:)
 
Oops, duplicate posting, so I'll find something relevant to say with 100 or more words. If the MK/Noble bid is only $3 it still grossly undervalues the company and I would still reject it. But that would leave me with Baxter in charge. What to do, what to do? Sit tight and hope for a bidding war I suppose.
 
It is a topical issue ATM. The 'interesting' angle from the paper's perspective is the strong public opposition to the deal, led extremely well by Rimtaly. It is a real 'David and Goliath' battle which the papers like to report on. Having said that, anyone with an IQ even approaching three figures can see Baxter is shafting shareholders for his own self interest. His withholding of the manganese price until after he had informed Pallinghurst who in turn had time to assess the impact and therefore revise their bid is a CRYSTAL CLEAR example of whose side he is on. It amazes me that such blatantly self-serving actions do not result in any action by ASX or ASIC. ASX is as much a watchdog as an ageing grandma stuffed full of valium. OK, they have their 'rules' to follow which render them as effective as a eunuch in a fertility clinic, but crikey, even I suggested to them an action to elicit a public comment from CSM re manganese prices. It's not my job to work on angles the ASX can use to do their job! What do they actually do there?! Or am I just forgetting who they receive their money from? But I digress. The important point is: Never, ever invest in any company associated with Dick Carter of Rod Baxter as they have clearly demonstrated that are not looking out for you, just themselves. They're so far up BG's jacksie, I'm sure they can see daylight. Do not trust these useless ba$t@rd$. I look forward (hopefully) to seeing them get their come-uppance.
Time is 10:58PM WST 070627. How long 'til this post is wiped?:p:
Cheers!
 
It's on! The West has an article titled "Territory to launch tilt at ConsMin"
Seems it will be a $680M+ bid, cash and Territory scrip aimed at about $3/share.
Territory has sought to do DD on the CSM as a prelude to launch a formal takeover offer. Baxter could not be reached for comment early last night. Article finished with an old MK quote "I believe the current management have not operated the assets in the best interests of all shareholders" You can say that again, Mike!

PS I think $3 still undervalues the company by a fair margin, but maybe this is just the start, and if it is the end, then at least I will receive about $3/share AND some justice. Good riddance, Rod......
 
Just read the AFR. Great news!

If anyone can pull this off it should be Kiernan. CSM board must have been sweating it out hoping time would be on their side and shareholders would be fooled by the shear size of the offer document.
 
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