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This from the Sydney outbreak also seems to support your point @rederob

‘Do not wait’ for Pfizer: New data shows just 1 per cent of Delta cases fully vaccinated

New data reveals the huge impact of the AstraZeneca and Pfizer vaccines, with just 1 per cent of COVID cases in the Sydney outbreak among those who were fully vaccinated.
www.smh.com.au
From the article:
The critical role that vaccines will play in propelling Australia out of the pandemic is underscored by new data from the federal Health Department that shows just one per cent of the 2702 people who have caught COVID-19 in Sydney’s Delta outbreak were fully vaccinated. Of the 15 people who were fully vaccinated but still caught COVID, none needed hospitalisation and none died.

Just 5 per cent of cases, or 141 people, caught COVID after having one jab, with the partially vaccinated accounting for 6 per cent of hospital cases, 4 per cent of ICU cases and 8 per cent of deaths.

A total of 2164 people, or 80 per cent of cases, were among the unvaccinated who also made up 87 per cent of hospital admissions, 91 per cent of ICU patients and 85 per cent of deaths.
 
We now have data from across the world involving hundreds of millions of vaccinated people.
Despite this there are people who latch onto tweets and other forms of misinformation to suggest vaccinations are neither safe nor as effective as they are proven to be.
The risk:reward considerations in times of pandemic so strongly support vaccination that it's a no contest.
That's not to diminish the fact that there are known side effects, and the potential for unknown side effects to appear in future years.
The individual consideration now boils down to fitting yourself into the risk matrix and deciding one way or the other.
 
Israel needs booster shots as the vaccines wane after a while.
The effectiveness drops fairly hard.

However it still protects against serious hospitalisation.

In a handful of people with the vaccination that caught covid they ended up with symptoms for up to 6 weeks. Study below, be aware its only a small sample.

Researchers studied 1,497 vaccinated health care workers at the Sheba Medical Center in Israel. Among them, only 39 got infected despite their inoculations.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2109072

Israel is probably the place to watch right now as their vaccination rate is high.
 
Do you have data on young people risk/reward regarding the vaccine?
 
moXJO said:
Do you have data on young people risk/reward regarding the vaccine?
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Australia's covid vaccination program is only available for those over 16, so my comment was not aimed at the very young.
In terms of proper trials for younger ages, this is relevant.
Current discussion around vaccinating school aged is focused more on whether or not transmission is reduced rather than efficacy per se. I think the jury is out.
 
I've got sons 18 and 15. Not convinced that it's the right move just yet.
 
Update on my vaccination:
Shoulder hurts, feels like a dead arm. Painful to hold in certain positions.

Restless sleep with stupid dreams.

Developed a cough every now and then.
 
moXJO said:
I've got sons 18 and 15. Not convinced that it's the right move just yet.
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US CDC shows young are affected and vaccinations reduce rates, but I could not find death data:

From what we know about AZ, it's not a vaccine I can see with a favourable risk:reward outcome for under 18s.
 
moXJO said:
Update on my vaccination:
Shoulder hurts, feels like a dead arm. Painful to hold in certain positions.

Restless sleep with stupid dreams.

Developed a cough every now and then.
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All symptoms I had before my injection
 
SirRumpole said:
All symptoms I had before my injection
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My second AstraZenica was two weeks ago and I haven't experienced symptoms that concern me. There have been some, but like you, I had them infrequently in the past, so it is hard to say whether the AZ played a part.
 
This is how Bhutan managed to vaccinate 90% of it's population in a week. And they did it twice of course.

Tiny Himalayan kingdom of Bhutan vaccinates 90% of its population, becoming a beacon of hope for a region struggling with Covid​


CNN) Bhutan has fully vaccinated 90% of its eligible adult population in a week with Covid-19 shots, a feat that has been described as a "success story" and a "beacon of hope" for other countries in the region, the UN Children's Fund (UNICEF) said Tuesday.

The tiny South Asian kingdom of 770,00 people is nestled in high in the Himalayas between India and China, and its high altitude, remote mountain villages, nomadic herders and extreme weather posed unique challenges to health workers delivering the vaccines safely across the country.

The rollout campaign of second doses, which began on July 20, involved months of preparation that included setting up cold chain storage facilities in difficult to reach health clinics, deploying a helicopter to deliver vaccines to the more remote locations, and an army of volunteers distributing the vaccines along mountain footpaths.

By Tuesday, about 480,000 people had been vaccinated out of an eligible population of 530,000 people, UNICEF's Bhutan representative Will Parks said from the capital Thimphu, adding that it was "arguably the fastest vaccination campaign to be executed during a pandemic.

Tiny kingdom of Bhutan fully vaccinates 90% of its adult population

Bhutan has fully vaccinated 90% of its eligible adult population in a week with Covid-19 shots, a feat that has been described as a "success story" and a "beacon of hope" for other countries in the region, the UN Children's Fund (UNICEF) said Tuesday.
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Snapshot into the value of the vaccine.

‘A lottery who ends up in hospital’: Australian Covid survivors speak out​


Derek Young, 55, caught Covid in March 2020 and spent time in hospital with pneumonia. He continued to suffer from long-term symptoms that were recently significantly alleviated by getting vaccinated. Photograph: Carly Earl/The Guardian

From fully vaccinated people with no symptoms to those suffering from long Covid, Australians who caught the virus have a unanimous message: get the jab

‘A lottery who ends up in hospital’: Australian Covid survivors speak out

From fully vaccinated people with no symptoms to those suffering from long Covid, Australians who caught the virus have a unanimous message: get the jab
www.theguardian.com
 
It is great to see the media is on board with the push for people to get vaccinated at last, I suppose they have already done the scare stories of getting a vaccine, so it is time to move on to the next phase.
 
sptrawler said:
It is great to see the media is on board with the push for people to get vaccinated at last, I suppose they have already done the scare stories of getting a vaccine, so it is time to move on to the next phase.
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Vaccinated with what?
 
Humid said:
Vaccinated with what?
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That is the question, everyone has to ask themselves, I chose AZ. I'm a bit old school and take the tried method, until the new method has been in service for a while.
My guess is if the mRNA proves effective and to have minimal side effects, eventually the AZ style vaccination will disappear, technology is always changing, most times for the better.
 
Chose... lol thats all thats all thats on offer
 
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