Nor would anyone sane enough and not antiwaxer
But i can not and probably never will, manage to believe our government..worse multiple governments after the amount of misinformation we have been subject to.
I hope you are right, but i will not rush and really make sure i understand the concept used for this new vaccineAgree re the politics but its TGA and others that will sign off on any vaccine to be used outside of politics and I do know people in the system that are involved with these processes besides being well versed in the tech / safety aspects who do genuinely care about the outcomes.
TBH I think we will be in safe hands.
You lot go first, I'm going to wait and see.
I've never had flu shots (mainly because I just can't be bothered), friends and acquaintances have had various reactions. Some have no reactions whatsoever but it seems roughly 1/3 have some sort of fluey type reaction with a couple, may as well having the flu itself.
Which reminds me, I'm really due a tetanus booster.
There is a vax that's been around a few years now.On a side issue (he says derailing his own thread), is Hendra virus still an issue ? Any vaccinations for that ?
Two points.I am so terribly grateful, to all those Australians, eagerly awaiting the coming Covid 19 vaccine:
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...bility-claims-in-most-countries-idUSKCN24V2EN
Please! By all means, jump ahead of me in the queue!! I shall be more than happy to move as far to the back of the queue, as the coming legislation allows.
Perhaps, if enough guinea humans perish ahead of me, the chanting of the "correlation is not causation" mantra, will provide sufficient cover, for those of us remaining, to effect a quiet escape.
Just to be clear I don't "think" I've had it.And if like Wayne you think you have already caught it, but didn't get tested, then it is likely you didn't get it.
Righto then!Two points.
1. If you are providing the vaccine at cost, as Astrozenica say they will, you want to be free of litigation. Particularly if you are providing it to a country where litigation is a national sport. It is just a sensible business decision.
It does not mean an event 5 years after taking the vaccine is likely. It is very likely that anti vaxxers will fund a case given a chance though.
2. Once the population has generally vaccinated, all restrictions will be removed and the virus will travel freely and do as it may.
If you are willing to catch it in preference to a vaccine so be it; but I would look at your particular situation as if you have any pre existing conditions or are over 45 you will be taking a gamble. As share investors we are meant to be good at weighing risk.
And if like Wayne you think you have already caught it, but didn't get tested, then it is likely you didn't get it. Most tests come back negative so I wouldn't hang my hat on that.
Careful Knobby. You are beginning to sound like an anti-vaxxer!I want it tested properly before I take it of course...
Let's wait, watch, and see what happens when all accountability for the outcomes of one's product is completely stripped away!!
You think it's a gamble to forgo a vaccine that has been hastily rushed through testing! Fine!! I am more than happy to allow you to go first!!
What you say would make plenty of sense, provided that covid19 were to prove to be deadly enough to tilt the risk/reward ratio in favour of some desperate methods.The vaccine may be rushed but COVID-19 wasn't tested for safety at all.
If the choice is rushed testing but no problems found versus no testing at all well then I'll take the rushed testing.
Testing of course is just testing. What's commonly overlooked when it's claimed that something has been "tested" is what were the results of those tests? Plenty of products etc will claim to be tested but rarely does it state the results of those tests.
Yep, fish oil's been tested for mercury - that's great but now much mercury is in it? Ahh, well we're not telling you that sir, we're only telling you that we tested it.Sounds silly but it's very common in practice that things are tested but the results are kept secret.
What you say would make plenty of sense, provided that covid19 were to prove to be deadly enough to tilt the risk/reward ratio in favour of some desperate methods.
The problem is, based upon what I can discern from the reports, this virus is likely to prove less deadly than the adverse reactions that will likely ensue from forcing a relatively untested vaccine upon the general populace.
How many 60, 70,80, 90 and 100 year olds are being accepted for testing in the safety trials?
How many people undergoing chemotherapy are accepted for testing in these trials?
Etcetera.
Now look at the demographic of the people reportedly succumbing to this purportedly deadly virus!
I am sure you can see why this might, be yet another strking example, of mankind's propensity to meet with destiny, on the very path taken, for avoidance of same.
FDA had already approved the use of plasma transfusions on coronavirus patients under certain conditions, like those who are gravely ill or taking part in clinical trials.
It has now given the treatment "emergency use authorisation", rather than full approval, saying that early research suggests blood plasma can decrease mortality and improve patient health if it's administered within the first three days of being admitted to hospital. However, more trials are needed to prove its effectiveness.
The agency said it concluded it was safe after reviewing the results of 20,000 patients who had received the treatment so far.
The FDA said people under the age of 80 who were not on a respirator and received plasma containing high levels of antibodies had benefited the most from the treatment, with a 35% better survival rate a month after the treatment than those who had received plasma with a low level of antibodies.
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