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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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rederob said:
Maybe 10 times now I have asked you to clarify the exact nature of what it is you want to know, and you have avoided those details on every occasion.
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For the gazillionth time

What was the mechanism for the transmission of the virus from animals to humans and can we prevent it happening again.

Was there concealment or coverup of the outbreak by the Chinese or anyone else to the extent that the global pandemic could have been avoided or mitigated.
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I trust you can comprehend this, I can't go any bigger I'm afraid.
 
SirRumpole said:
For the gazillionth time

What was the mechanism for the transmission of the virus from animals to humans and can we prevent it happening again.
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That was addressed.
It's the very nature of scientific inquiry to try and find these answers, and it may be we never will.
And as I said, it's impossible to prevent similar occurrences in future - that's a scientific fact!
SirRumpole said:
Was there concealment or coverup of the outbreak by the Chinese or anyone else to the extent that the global pandemic could have been avoided or mitigated.
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The WHO has addressed these matters. I take it you do not want to believe them.
The Wuhan Health Commission advised Chinese authorities about what they were sure of on 30 December, and the next day the WHO was advised.
I have presented the timeline on several occasions, and that info is also in the public arena.
Taiwan was aware of the info posted by the Wuhan Health Commission on 31 December and took immediate action. South Korea and Hong Kong did the same a few days later. Look at how their actions mitigated spread.
What do you believe may have been covered up?

What really needs to be investigated is why so many other nations were so poor at responding, especially seeing that the lessons from Wuhan led to a per capita death rate fewer than Australia's.
 
Boring

and CAC seems to be appropriate

Covid-19 Associated Coagulapathy
https://hematology.org/covid-19/covid-19-and-coagulopathy

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-05-07/coronavirus-blood-clot-stroke/12220474
 
rederob said:
The WHO has addressed these matters. I take it you do not want to believe them.
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The WHO doesn't want to offend anyone otherwise they may lose their funding.

They are incapable of producing an unbiased report especially when they have countries like China and the US threatening their existence.

Form an independent committee which does not depend on anyone for ongoing funding and find the TRUTH.
 
SirRumpole said:
The WHO doesn't want to offend anyone otherwise they may lose their funding.
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Member nations are required to meet their obligations, but that's not the point.
The WHO has already sanctioned international investigations. They are wholly apolitical, so your claim is false.
SirRumpole said:
Form an independent committee which does not depend on anyone for ongoing funding and find the TRUTH.
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Again, the truth to what?
You offer nothing that we do not already know.
 
SirRumpole said:
And you keep sticking your head in the sand, afraid of seeing the truth.
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Remarkable!
The truth has been revealed.
You want an alternative truth.
But you don't even know what questions need to be asked that have not already been answered.
I have responded to every single point you have raised, so it is a blatant lie to suggest I am sticking my head in the sand.
You keep firing blanks and killing your own lack of an argument.
 

If you want to believe everything you are told by vested interests that's your problem, I'm not that gullible.
 
SirRumpole said:
If you want to believe everything you are told by vested interests that's your problem, I'm not that gullible.
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Again, that's not what is at issue.
There is a verifiable chain of information available to anyone looking, but you clearly are not looking.
Or, if you do see it and it's not what you wanted it to be or say, then you ignore it.
Then you make incorrect statements about the World Health Organisation.
It's hard to think that an organisation comprising 194 nations would not want to sponsor an inquiry into COVID-19 if they believed they were being diddled by China!
It seems you will only be happy when whatever you are unable to enunciate happens in the manner you personally deem acceptable because it meets your criteria of independence. Reminds me of the WMD inspectors who were not believed by Western nations, and their unsubstantiated "investigations" led to a war. Great outcome for the Iraqis!
 
rederob said:
It's hard to think that an organisation comprising 194 nations would not want to sponsor an inquiry into COVID-19 if they believed they were being diddled by China!
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Wait and see on that.

Countries are still busy dealing with the dead, the sick and the unemployed.

When it all sinks in what damage they have suffered, I think there are going to be a lot of rather angry countries wanting an enquiry.
 

The WHO is China's bitch.
 
SirRumpole said:
When it all sinks in what damage they have suffered, I think there are going to be a lot of rather angry countries wanting an enquiry.
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Into what?
Their own mismanagement?
You are a broken record.
 
SirRumpole said:
TRUTH.
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The truth is, China responded extremely aggressively and effectively to contain the problem in Wuhan, in all probability because they new exactly what they were dealing with.
It is a shame the rest of the World, initially didn't realise how potent a virus they were dealing with.
 
sptrawler said:
The truth is, China responded extremely aggressively and effectively to contain the problem in Wuhan, in all probability because they new exactly what they were dealing with.
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If that were so then it does not explain why thousands of nurses plus doctors got infected - many dying. In all probability, it was the exact opposite of what you said.
 
The truth is China covered up SARS in much the same way. That's track record history. That's right it happened before.
They then failed despite all the systems for early warning after SARS.

There is no proof that the virus originated anywhere else but from the wet market with the current evidence.

China did silence doctors very early, also stopped testing results.

Even with what's on record they knew it was transmissible pre Jan. There was a doctor on record.

China allowed 5 million people to travel all over the world.

Their figures are dodgy by all models so far.

Every victim outside China is a China statistic.

They have not let who in to do investigation.

Taiwan knew they had underreported the situation and locked down.

The propaganda wing is currently pushing 4 things:
That the US is failing.

The origin of the virus (pushing italy, California, Europe)

That China was the best in the world with their fudged figures.

Painting anyone against it is racist.
 
rederob said:
If that were so then it does not explain why thousands of nurses plus doctors got infected - many dying. In all probability, it was the exact opposite of what you said.
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I see you are still using nonsense arguments.
Just knowing what the infection is does not stop you from getting it, as is proven all over the World, where medical staff are still getting infected.
 
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