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Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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Keeping large varieties of live exotic animals in cramped, caged, unhygienic conditions simply guarantees transmission to humans. This practice accelerates the evolution of a virus.
The warnings after Sars v1 were clear, it'll happen again.
If only there was a world health authority to clamp down on this, but alas, not even now. it's only a matter of time till we're back here again.

 

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SirRumpole said:
How did it get to humans rob ?
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Seriously?
You don't understand "mutation? Please do some reading on "evolution" as it is all explained there.
The fact that we share about 60% of our DNA with bananas does not make us Republicans!
 
rederob said:
Seriously?
You don't understand "mutation? Please do some reading on "evolution" as it is all explained there.
The fact that we share about 60% of our DNA with bananas does not make us Republicans!
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Yes viruses mutate, but that's not the whole story.

Our interactions with wildlife and the environment exacerbate the spread of the viruses.

The current crisis might be the warning against environmental destruction that AGW hasn't been so far.

https://theconversation.com/how-do-...hy-are-spillovers-becoming-more-common-134656

https://theconversation.com/the-new...nd-may-be-devastating-enough-to-end-it-133333
 
SirRumpole said:
Yes viruses mutate, but that's not the whole story.
Our interactions with wildlife and the environment exacerbate the spread of the viruses.
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Ok, so again I do not know what you want to have investigated.
 
rederob said:
Ok, so again I do not know what you want to have investigated.
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Your Sinophilia just won't let you admit that the Chinese wet markets could have been the origin of this pandemic, and until you admit that possibility exists your credibility on the issue is questionable.
 
Sigh... more Sinophobia.
You know your link has zero evidence to support its claims, or can't you work that out?
 
rederob said:
Sigh... more Sinophobia.
You know your link has zero evidence to support its claims, or can't you work that out?
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Sigh ....I'm only posting to help educate you. Or can't you work that out?
 
SirRumpole said:
Your Sinophilia just won't let you admit that the Chinese wet markets could have been the origin of this pandemic, and until you admit that possibility exists your credibility on the issue is questionable.
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I use evidence in most of my posts, Rumpy.
Virologists predominantly do not consider Wuhan's wet market as the source for a number of reasons, and these are explained in their many works to date.
I don't find it constructive to assume to be true those things which are not so likely, but are continuing to be peddled in popular media (especially right wing outfits).
You are constantly calling for an investigation, and I keep wondering what it is that you want to know from it that we don't already know. That said, there are some things we might never know. For example bats somehow infected camels, and then camels infested people with MERS. That was 8 years ago, and we are none the wiser today. The back story to MERS has some parallels to what happened at Wuhan, except it took months for the WHO to then be involved.
 
SirRumpole said:
If you don't look for evidence rob, it's not surprising if you don't find it.
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Can you please explain what you are looking for, as I have asked many times and you come back empty handed every time.
I have watched and listened to politicians from the UK, USA and Australia who think there should be an investigation, but not one has yet said what they are looking for. It seems to be a common theme.
 

There are a lot of theories about the mechanisms of transmission of this virus from animal to human.

Different experts have different ideas, they can't all be right.

I'm looking for a consensus based on science not propaganda.

You seem desperate to avoid a conclusion that wet markets have been involved. I don't know why. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear from a full impartial investigation.

"I have asked many times and you come back empty handed every time."

That's because you don't appear to be able to read plain English.

 
SirRumpole said:
There are a lot of theories about the mechanisms of transmission of this virus from animal to human.
Different experts have different ideas, they can't all be right.
I'm looking for a consensus based on science not propaganda.
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That's called scientific discovery, and has nothing to do with an "investigation."
SirRumpole said:
You seem desperate to avoid a conclusion that wet markets have been involved. I don't know why. If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear from a full impartial investigation.
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I have stated in these threads that the majority of early illnesses had an association with the wet markets. It may have been sheer coincidence given what the virologists believe about how this virus spreads.
These markets were "cleansed" and have been closed for 5 months now.
The simple fact here is that time and time again when I ask you about what should be investigated you have no idea.
 
It is certainly proving to be a very new style of corona virus, quite exceptional the side effects, no wonder the panic set in early.
Who would have guessed it was going to be this bad.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-05-07/coronavirus-blood-clot-stroke/12220474
From the article:
A growing body of evidence is painting a grim picture of how coronavirus can wreak havoc from one end of the body to the other.

It's well established that COVID-19 affects the respiratory system and targets the lungs. But several studies and anecdotal evidence suggest the disease may also cause super-charged blood clotting that damages vital organs, including the kidneys, heart and brain.

The pattern of abnormal blood clotting is being recognised as a new phenomenon doctors are calling 'COVID-19-associated coagulopathy' or CAC.
 
SirRumpole said:
As I said you can't read plain English.
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All your written concerns have been addressed.
What is it that you believe is somewhere "hidden?"
You seem confused about the difference between what can be learned from scientific inquiry, and what can be "investigated" through other means.
If you have a need to know something from other inquiry, you clearly state what the goals or objectives are, rather than go "fishing."
You keep going fishing, and will achieve nothing.
 
Another good write up on the latest findings with the virus.
https://au.news.yahoo.com/study-suggests-coronavirus-transmitted-globally-december-233818181.html
From the article:
Claims of two strains ‘inaccurate’
In a second study also published on Wednesday, scientists at Britain's University of Glasgow who also analysed SARS-CoV-2 virus samples said their findings showed that previous work suggesting there were two different strains was inaccurate.

A preliminary study by Chinese scientists in March had suggested there may have been two strains of the coronavirus causing infections there, with one of them more "aggressive" than the other.
But publishing their analysis in the journal Virus Evolution, the Glasgow team said only one type of the virus was circulating.

More than 3.68 million people have been reported to be infected by the novel coronavirus globally and 256,000 have died, according to a Reuters tally.

Infections have been reported in more than 210 countries and territories since cases were first identified in China in December 2019.

Their results add to a growing body of evidence that SARS-CoV-2 viruses share a common ancestor from late 2019, suggesting this was when the virus jumped from a previous animal host into people.

This means it is unlikely the new virus was circulating in people for long before it was first detected, Balloux said.

"If we focus our efforts on parts of the virus that are less likely to mutate, we have a better chance of developing drugs that will be effective in the long run," Balloux said.


"If we focus our efforts on parts of the virus that are less likely to mutate, we have a better chance of developing drugs that will be effective in the long run," Balloux said.
 
rederob said:
You seem confused about the difference between what can be learned from scientific inquiry, and what can be "investigated" through other means.
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Well that's just semantics and obfuscation. So lets have an investigation instead of an enquiry. Does that help you ?
 
SirRumpole said:
Well that's just semantics and obfuscation. So lets have an investigation instead of an enquiry. Does that help you ?
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Maybe 10 times now I have asked you to clarify the exact nature of what it is you want to know, and you have avoided those details on every occasion.
It was the same in the Folau thread where you kept repeating the same thing, and refused to acknowledge and could not show it had no legal basis.
 
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