Coronavirus (COVID-19/SARS-CoV-2) outbreak discussion

rederob said:

Please offer facts about what actually happened, and take your poorly based ideas about me elsewhere.

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Mate.... It's nothing new. There's plenty of corroborating information from different sources relaying the same facts, not from just Chinese ones towing the red line:
https://www.news24.com/World/News/c...s-apology-from-who-chief-for-slander-20200409
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1897190/us-criticizes-who-for-ignoring-taiwan-virus-warnings
https://au.glbnews.com/04-2020/52780718458367/

hja said:

Mate.... It's nothing new. There's plenty of corroborating information from different sources relaying the same facts, not from just Chinese ones towing the red line:
https://www.news24.com/World/News/c...s-apology-from-who-chief-for-slander-20200409
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/1897190/us-criticizes-who-for-ignoring-taiwan-virus-warnings
https://au.glbnews.com/04-2020/52780718458367/

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I deal in facts.
These links from you are not based on facts.
Is it that hard for you to work out the difference, or would you like me to rebut them?

wayneL said:

it's really interesting to observe who the CCP shills are on this forum.

It's also interesting to see the correlation with other issues,

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Thanks for reminding me about the 'ignore' button Wayne. It's a very valuable tool to use to help filter out the shills in this thread

rederob said:

I deal in facts.
These links from you are not based on facts.
Is it that hard for you to work out the difference, or would you like me to rebut them?

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Yeah you block when you hit a wall. The actual facts are already all laid out throughout this thread. It's amusing to watch.

moXJO said:

Yeah you block when you hit a wall. The actual facts are already all laid out throughout this thread. It's amusing to watch.

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Really?
I consistently ask for evidence in support of claims.
I provide more links than most posters at ASF in support of my posts and am happy to be proven wrong, when I get it wrong, which is inevitable.
I have a number of posters on "ignore" so that I don't waste my time making the same same same same reply. I nevertheless read all their posts in the threads I post in.

rederob said:

Really?
I consistently ask for evidence in support of claims.
I provide more links than most posters at ASF in support of my posts and am happy to be proven wrong, when I get it wrong, which is inevitable.
I have a number of posters on "ignore" so that I don't waste my time making the same same same same reply. I nevertheless read all their posts in the threads I post in.

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And I posted links, evidence, timelines as have others. You get the same reply when you push the same dead end and often wrong argument.
(I'm assuming the Folau thread)

Haven't you been proven wrong enough to still bite

Fwiw, I'd back Hitchens against CCPRobeee, London to a brick, and Mombasa to a melon.

As for me, I offered it as a well thought out and argued contrarian view, for discussion, for what it was worth.

Interesting how the ambassador for the CCP spun it.

Instructive.

@rederob

rederob said:

I deal in facts.
These links from you are not based on facts.
Is it that hard for you to work out the difference, or would you like me to rebut them?

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Still waiting for anything you can provide that's impartial and credible. I know it'll be hard for you.

Look at all the referenced names and institutions in your links: ("all in China.")

W Guan, Z Ni, Y Hu, W Liang, C Ou, J ,N Zhu, D Zhang, W Wang, X Li, B Yang, C Huang, Y Wang, X Li, L Ren, J Zhao, Y Hu, L Zhang Q Li, X Guan, P Wu, X Wang, L Zhou....
From the State Key Laboratory of Respiratory Disease, National Clinical Research Center for Respiratory Disease, Guangzhou Institute of Respiratory Health, First Affiliated Hospital of Guangzhou Medical University (W.G., W.L., J.H., R.C., C.T., T.W., S.L., Jin-lin Wang, N.Z., J.H., W.L.), the Departments of Thoracic Oncology (W.L.), Thoracic Surgery and Oncology (J.H.), and Emergency Medicine (Z.L.), First Affiliated Hospital of Guangzhou Medical University, and Guangzhou Eighth People’s Hospital, Guangzhou Medical University (C.L.), and the State Key Laboratory of Organ Failure Research, Department of Biostatistics, Guangdong Provincial Key Laboratory of Tropical Disease Research, School of Public Health, Southern Medical University (C.O., P.C.), Guangzhou, Wuhan Jinyintan Hospital (Z.N., J.X.), Union Hospital, Tongji Medical College, Huazhong University of Science and Technology (Yu Hu), the Central Hospital of Wuhan (Y.P.), Wuhan No. 1 Hospital, Wuhan Hospital of Traditional Chinese and Western Medicine (L.W.), Wuhan Pulmonary Hospital (P.P.), Tianyou Hospital Affiliated to Wuhan University of Science and Technology (Jian-ming Wang), and the People’s Hospital of Huangpi District (S.Z.), Wuhan, Shenzhen Third People’s Hospital and the Second Affiliated Hospital of Southern University of Science and Technology, National Clinical Research Center for Infectious Diseases (L. Liu), and the Department of Clinical Microbiology and Infection Control, University of Hong Kong–Shenzhen Hospital (K.-Y.Y.), Shenzhen, the Fifth Affiliated Hospital of Sun Yat-sen University, Zhuhai (H.S.), the Department of Medicine and Therapeutics, Chinese University of Hong Kong, Shatin (D.S.C.H.), and the Department of Microbiology and the Carol Yu Center for Infection, Li Ka Shing Faculty of Medicine, University of Hong Kong, Pok Fu Lam (K.-Y.Y.), Hong Kong, Medical ICU, Peking Union Medical College Hospital, Peking Union Medical College and Chinese Academy of Medical Sciences (B.D.), and the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention (G.Z.), Beijing, the State Key Laboratory for Diagnosis and Treatment of Infectious Diseases, National Clinical Research Center for Infectious Diseases, First Affiliated Hospital, College of Medicine, Zhejiang University, Hangzhou (L. Li), Chengdu Public Health Clinical Medical Center, Chengdu (Y.L.), Huangshi Central Hospital of Edong Healthcare Group, Affiliated Hospital of Hubei Polytechnic University, Huangshi (Ya-hua Hu), the First Hospital of Changsha, Changsha (J. Liu), the Third People’s Hospital of Hainan Province, Sanya (Z.C.), Huanggang Central Hospital, Huanggang (G.L.), Wenling First People’s Hospital, Wenling (Z.Z.), the Third People’s Hospital of Yichang, Yichang (S.Q.), Affiliated Taihe Hospital of Hubei University of Medicine, Shiyan (J. Luo), and Xiantao First People’s Hospital, Xiantao (C.Y.) — all in China.

moXJO said:

Haven't you been proven wrong enough to still bite

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Many of the posts where you include links neglect to include an evidentiary basis, and are strong on opinions.
I tend to ignore comments based on opinions.
In relation to Taiwan, as an example, apart from the government official making a lot of claims, there is nothing I can find that confirms their stance (other than what they said) or that makes sense.
The nature of what was publicly available on 31 December makes clear that of the 27 cases identified to that point in time, "Epidemiological investigation, preliminary laboratory analysis and other aspects of the situation that the above cases are viral pneumonia."
Conspiracy theorists think that Chinese people were being kept in the dark about this issue but, also on 31 December, CCTV made 2 public broadcasts about this infection .
It is inconceivable that any medical expert would not have realised that a SARS-like virus was a likely culprit. Japan certainly made it news on 31 December.
It is to Taiwan's credit that they acted as they did so early in the piece. Korea also quickly recognised the potential threat and took appropriate steps.

hja said:

Look at all the referenced names and institutions in your links: ("all in China.")

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That was exactly my point.
If China is suppressing publication of research about COVID-19 - which was being claimed in a link I responded to - why are there literally hundreds of papers available from Chinese academics?

Oh how convenient... and to suppress the voices of, how many (literally thousands?) who were in disapproval of the CCP-line. So now those academics, researchers and doctors are "missing" or killed off.

hja said:

Oh how convenient... and to suppress the voices of, how many (literally thousands?) who were in disapproval of the CCP-line. So now those academics, researchers and doctors are "missing" or killed off.

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It's actually interesting, mate, how this has exposed the CCP shills.

Not withstanding the cultural and political traitors we have here on ASF, I have been shocked at some other entities in our society who would rather shill for the CCP than our own culture.

whacky tv

hja said:

Still waiting for anything you can provide that's impartial and credible. I know it'll be hard for you.

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In relation to what?

wayneL said:

It's actually interesting, mate, how this has exposed the CCP shills.

Not withstanding the cultural and political traitors we have here on ASF, I have been shocked at some other entities in our society who would rather shill for the CCP than our own culture.

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It's like any little fart that ruffles the red flag or mention that Jinping pongs is tantamount to blasphemy.

rederob said:

Many of the posts where you include links neglect to include an evidentiary basis, and are strong on opinions.
I tend to ignore comments based on opinions.
In relation to Taiwan, as an example, apart from the government official making a lot of claims, there is nothing I can find that confirms their stance (other than what they said) or that makes sense.
The nature of what was publicly available on 31 December makes clear that of the 27 cases identified to that point in time, "Epidemiological investigation, preliminary laboratory analysis and other aspects of the situation that the above cases are viral pneumonia."
Conspiracy theorists think that Chinese people were being kept in the dark about this issue but, also on 31 December, CCTV made 2 public broadcasts about this infection .
It is inconceivable that any medical expert would not have realised that a SARS-like virus was a likely culprit. Japan certainly made it news on 31 December.
It is to Taiwan's credit that they acted as they did so early in the piece. Korea also quickly recognised the potential threat and took appropriate steps.

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In relation to Taiwan, they sent a letter to WHO that was acknowledgement that it had been received (without reply). Previously posted on this thread.

Tedros has a lot of skeletons in his closet.
Cover-up (Previously accused by who)
TPLF
Current China and Ethiopia links.
None of that is "conspiracy theories", it's stuff that's happened.

I've posted enough links to show China has a track record on lying.

I'm sure I posted a who timeline of who somewhere as well.

Joules MM1 said:

whacky tv

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Now redo it based on % of population.

moXJO said:

In relation to Taiwan, they sent a letter to WHO that was acknowledgement that it had been received (without reply). Previously posted on this thread.

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Where is this letter?
I have read what it is supposed to ask, but it makes no sense given what was already known.
I have no doubt that governments lie. Ask the journalists in Australia investigating ADF coverups.
More often they just don't release what they don't think will make them look good.
Here, however, the idea that China has been tardy in responding to the novel coronavirus does not fit the actions they have taken. The idea that the WHO is complicit is plain dumb.
I will happily go through point by point issues, but not a raft of them at once.

hja said:

Oh how convenient... and to suppress the voices of, how many (literally thousands?) who were in disapproval of the CCP-line. So now those academics, researchers and doctors are "missing" or killed off.

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killed off? why adding "off"??? funny in a VERY dark/red humor only

moXJO said:

Now redo it based on % of population.

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Why not just call it Fake News from an Enemy of the People ?

That's what the Master Debater says every-single-time there is any criticism of his stunning, heroic 10/10 achievements in protecting the US from this gigantic hoax of a Chinese Communist/Democratic/WHO plot to undermine the eternal temporal authority of the Son of God.