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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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macca said:
I have read this before about the USA, medicine is so expensive that the hospitals put down all colds and flus as Covid to get the cash from the Govt.
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If this were true to any great extent, then we would expect the total death rate in the US to be comparable with most other years. But it is vastly higher, even much higher than that attributed to COVID.

279,700 extra deaths in the US so far in this pandemic year

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279,700 extra deaths in the US so far in this pandemic year

Health statisticians keep careful tabs on how many people die every week. Based on what’s happened in past years, they know what to expect – but 2020 death counts are surging beyond predictions.
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bellenuit said:
If this were true to any great extent, then we would expect the total death rate in the US to be comparable with most other years. But it is vastly higher, even much higher than that attributed to COVID.

279,700 extra deaths in the US so far in this pandemic year

theconversation.com

279,700 extra deaths in the US so far in this pandemic year

Health statisticians keep careful tabs on how many people die every week. Based on what’s happened in past years, they know what to expect – but 2020 death counts are surging beyond predictions.
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Data is from the CDC so would assume it's credible.

Covid related? lockdowns, stress, heart attacks, suicide, perhaps?
 
This sort of "treatment" sure would not be helping the numbers
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During her time there, most patients who entered the hospital wound up being treated for COVID-19, whether they tested positive or not, and only one patient survived. The hospital also failed to segregate COVID-positive and COVID-negative patients, thereby ensuring maximum spread of the disease among noninfected patients coming in with other health problems.
By ventilating COVID-19-negative patients, the hospital artificially inflated the case load and death rate. Disturbingly, financial incentives appear to have been at play. According to Olszewski, the hospital received $29,000 extra for a COVID-19 patient receiving ventilation, over and above other treatments. In August 2020, CDC director Robert Redfield admitted that hospital incentives likely elevated hospitalization rates and death toll statistics around the country.>>


 
DB008 said:
I spoke to a former work colleague yesterday, who lives in Sweden. It's basically business as usual. They are already at the end of the tunnel, Covid is pretty much over, over there. We are still trying to find the light at the end of the tunnel (in state lockdown and whatnot), let alone see it.
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You still speaking to that 'former work colleage' DB?
Looks to be another of those 'lights and tunnels and on coming train' moments.

I'll hazard a guess we'll hear far less from the Swedish spukers of a few short months back on it's ahhh, light to lead from 'tunnels' and other virus related successes...

Trondhiem or Helsinki anyone?
 
The explosion of COVID in Europe, the US, India etc is beyond alarming. The steep rises in infections in the past month are also being reflected in rising death rates.



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Live statistics and coronavirus news tracking the number of confirmed cases, recovered patients, tests, and death toll due to the COVID-19 coronavirus from Wuhan, China. Coronavirus counter with new cases, deaths, and number of tests per 1 Million population. Historical data and info. Daily...
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wayneL said:
Getting ever more clearer that lockdowns are a mistake.

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Those countries weren't in lockdown. Hence the rise and being forced into lockdown this week in the case of the UK.

Sweden went into effective lock down 2 days ago after a big spike in cases. Being socialist though they just asked nicely without police intervention.
Also Sweden is 85% larger than the UK with only 10 million population vs 65 mil UK and also has less porous borders so of course spread is reduced.

So getting more clearer that lockdowns are necessary.
 
Knobby22 said:
Those countries weren't in lockdown. Hence the rise and being forced into lockdown this week in the case of the UK.

Sweden went into effective lock down 2 days ago after a big spike in cases. Being socialist though they just asked nicely without police intervention.
Also Sweden is 85% larger than the UK with only 10 million population vs 65 mil UK and also has less porous borders so of course spread is reduced.

So getting more clearer that lockdowns are necessary.
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This is the problem with "damn lies and statistics".

Stockholm has a population density of 5,203/km², very similar to London's at 5,701/km².
 
wayneL said:
This is the problem with "damn lies and statistics".

Stockholm has a population density of 5,203/km², very similar to London's at 5,701/km².
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I agree, lies and statistics. Population of Stockholm 807,000, population of London 9.3 million.

No comparison. It's 500,000 less people than Adelaide (1.3 mil). Much easier for most of the country to naturally social distance. 9 million of the people do not live in Stockholm and are spread along this large country.

Back to the original post, those countries graphs shown weren't in lockdown. Hence the rise and being forced into lockdown this week in the case of the UK.

So how is that you can say lockdowns are a mistake? Feel free to use the UK as an example as we are all more aware of what's going on.
 
Knobby22 said:
I agree, lies and statistics. Population of Stockholm 807,000, population of London 9.3 million.

No comparison. It's 500,000 less people than Adelaide (1.3 mil). Much easier for most of the country to naturally social distance. 9 million of the people do not live in Stockholm and are spread along this large country.

Back to the original post, those countries graphs shown weren't in lockdown. Hence the rise and being forced into lockdown this week in the case of the UK.

So how is that you can say lockdowns are a mistake? Feel free to use the UK as an example as we are all more aware of what's going on.
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Following a few different sources may help. I'll leave that to you. :)
 
The things that make you go hmmmm:

Just been to a brand new client who reported that her and her husband both had covid back in April, but here's the kind of weird thing.

He tested positive and was virtually asymptomatic.

She tested negative several times, but had all the typical symptoms and was unwell for 6 weeks.

Don't ask me what that means, if anything, but I just thought it interesting.
 
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