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Will the "Corona Virus" turn into a worldwide epidemic or fizzle out?

  • Yes

    Votes: 37 49.3%

  • No

    Votes: 9 12.0%

  • Bigger than SARS, but not worldwide epidemic (Black Death/bubonic plague)

    Votes: 25 33.3%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 4 5.3%
  • Total voters
    75
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macca said:
If we think back to before we had antibiotics, it was very common for people in hospitals to be sitting in wheelchairs out in the grounds or on verandahs in the sunshine.

I recall seeing many photos from after both world wars of wounded people all sitting out in the sun
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When I came out of the coma in 2000, they used to put me in a wheel chair everyday and take me out into the gardens at Fairfield Infectious Diseases hospital in Vic every day for a few hours. Not direct sunlight, as I was a white as a ghost due to no sunlight for 3months on my skin.

Can still remember how good it felt and how it lifted my spirits.
 
macca said:
If we think back to before we had antibiotics, it was very common for people in hospitals to be sitting in wheelchairs out in the grounds or on verandahs in the sunshine.

I recall seeing many photos from after both world wars of wounded people all sitting out in the sun
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So true, on the same subject my wife has had a lot of issues with skin cancer so completely covers up and wears a huge hat when out, her latest blood test showed a deficiency in vitamin D.
She walks or rides a bicycle all day, so it shows that you do actually have to get some sun, she has started walking in the morning in short sleeves just keeps going after dropping the grandkids off at school.
 
sptrawler said:
So true, on the same subject my wife has had a lot of issues with skin cancer so completely covers up and wears a huge hat when out, her latest blood test showed a deficiency in vitamin D.
She walks or rides a bicycle all day, so it shows that you do actually have to get some sun, she has started walking in the morning in short sleeves just keeps going after dropping the grandkids off at school.
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Also happened in my family, plays golf three times a week, walks most other days, both always with sunscreen, Doc says go and buy a bottle of Vit D, you are underdone.
 
Australia's just signed up for a shot at nine COVID-19 vaccines.

Here's what to expect​

Australia's $123 million contribution to a global vaccine initiative, announced earlier this week, means the country would have access to a wider pool of COVID-19 vaccines, should they pass clinical trials.​
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The agreement with the World Health Organisation-backed COVAX initiative currently covers nine vaccines, with another nine being considered. These are to be shared with other member countries, rich and poor, by the end of 2021.​
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However, the agreement may only cover up to half the doses Australia needs, if each person needs two doses. So countries are still free to negotiate their own vaccine deals with individual manufacturers, as Australia has done.​
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Here's what you need to know about the nine vaccines COVAX is currently backing, which are at various stages of development.​
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These include pre-clinical animal testing and human clinical trials, which move through three phases. During the pandemic, some of these phases have been combined.​

1. INO-4800 comes with a zap​
2. Moderna's mRNA-1273 is in phase 3​
3. Germany's CVnCoV may have one or two doses​
4. TMV-083 uses a version of the measles vaccine​
5. AZD1222, the Oxford vaccine​
6. Modified flu vaccine delivered up the nose​
7. NVX-CoV2373 was tested in Australia​
8. SCB-2019 is another protein subunit vaccine​
9. University of Queensland's 'molecular clamp' vaccine​


Given the choice, l'd go Moderna (Number 2). Not sure if we will get a choice...





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DB008 said:
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Given the choice, l'd go Moderna (Number 2). Not sure if we will get a choice...
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I will not be taking any vaccine for many years, until well and truly tested on others.

I find it hard to see how the can force it on a population, they maybe able to make it mandatory if working in the old age sector.
 
This made me laugh.
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getting in ahead of the celebration

from Johns Hopkins count, as at 28 Sept 20020
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Home - Johns Hopkins Coronavirus Resource Center

Johns Hopkins experts in global public health, infectious disease, and emergency preparedness have been at the forefront of the international response to COVID-19.
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  • Global Confirmed
    32,977,556
  • Global Deaths
    996,309
  • U.S. Confirmed
    7,113,666
  • U.S. Deaths
    204,750

As Stalin said "One death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic".
 
moXJO said:
Cancer is at about 9.6 million deaths a year?

Wish we spent as much and had the same urgency sorting that out.
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Yes, it really is becoming farcical, many years, many deaths, much research but people are still dying.

there have been a number of news items where people with cancer have been denied new drugs that work OS but not PBS here in OZ

In the meantime, we bankrupt the country and jeopardize the future of our children and grandchildren because we refuse to admit that Asia knows more than us about China viruses

Repeated studies OS show that Vitamin D is a game changer with Covid, not a squeak from a pollie or in the media here.
 
Coronavirus death toll hits 1 million. These 10 charts begin to tell the story of loss

The biggest pandemic in 100 years has notched up another milestone: a million deaths around the world.

The death toll hit 100,000 in mid April as the virus took hold in Europe, and 500,000 in late June.

Most of the dead have been older people. A review published in Nature in late August concluded that mortality climbs after 50 and climbs steeply after 60.

www.abc.net.au

A million lives lost, billions left worse off in its wake: The pandemic in 10 charts

The biggest pandemic in 100 years has now claimed the lives of 1 million people around the world.
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This explains why the US under Trump is not going to bring COVID under control.

White House coronavirus task force rift deepens

A rift is deepening between longtime US health officials coordinating the coronavirus response and Scott Atlas, a doctor and conservative commentator recently brought onto the team by Donald Trump.

In an interview on Monday, the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious director, Anthony Fauci, said he is concerned the president’s new task force pick is spreading misinformation and implied he does not work with the other health officials.
The interview comes after Fauci was noticeably absent from the president’s Covid briefing, as was the response coordinator, Deborah Birx. Present instead was Atlas, a conservative commentator whose views are more aligned with Trump’s and who praised the president’s coronavirus response.

Earlier this month, a group of 98 medical experts including immunologists and infectious disease physicians signed a letter condemning “the falsehoods and misrepresentations of science recently fostered by Dr Scott Atlas”.

Fauci said he shared these concerns regarding Atlas spreading misleading and incorrect information.
“Well yeah, I’m concerned that sometimes things are said that are really taken either out of context or actually incorrect,” Fauci said.
The US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director, Robert Redfield, has also expressed concerns about Atlas, and was overheard on a phone call saying “everything he says is false” which he later confirmed was about Atlas.

Specifically he is concerned Atlas is feeding misinformation to Trump about the concept of herd immunity – that if enough people are infected with coronavirus the numbers will stabilize – and young people’s susceptibility to the virus. Atlas is also against severe lockdowns and mask usage. These views ware at odds with those backed by science and promoted by the likes of Fauci and Birx.

Fauci also noted in a CNN interview that as the 2020 presidential election approaches, the coronavirus response has received less attention. “We’re meeting now on an average of one and at the most two times a week,” Fauci said.
www.theguardian.com

Netherlands reports record case rise – as it happened

This blog is now closed. Follow the latest updates at our new blog below: Coronavirus news – live
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On at least two occasions I opened the question what would be the effect of a COVID infected person mingling at a wedding/funeral/party /public event.

The current crisis with Donald Trump is an ongoing example of how this will play out.

At this stage, and its only a week old, the Whitehouse Rose Garden ceremony to celebrate the nomination of Amy Comey Barret to fill the vacant Supreme Court position has thrown up 7 infections. There are still fundraisers, the Cleveland Rally and general interaction with people since then which have spread the infection further.

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In the Age today, an article states the suicide rate has not risen during the pandemic but the cases of anorexia nervosa has. Its not official so a grain of salt but interesting.
 
No increase in suicide rate!!

Yeah right!!

Try explaining that to the 29 people I already know about (and god only knows how many others across the entirety of Melbourne) !

Oh that's right, you'll need the assistance of a Ouija board when doing so because those people are now, despite media reports to the contrary, dead!!!!
 
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