Sdajii
Sdaji
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And then when people are still getting the virus, they will turn on the politicians. What you're suggesting is political suicide. I don't think politicians would be stupid enough to support an ineffective vaccine.
They probably have no choice. Either they admit they're wrong now and take the Sweden route (this is what they should do for the good of the country, but they won't because it's political suicide), or they just give up at some point next year when the virus is spreading because we can no longer keep everyone isolated due to logistical, social and economic reasons, and the insanity is revealed (political suicide), or they go with the second option with the addition of giving everyone the fake vaccine, and claim that without the vaccine it would have been much worse, and it's a good thing we waited for it.
This will be an easy enough story to sell and most people will eat it up. If you're gobbling up the current story, you will gobble up the upcoming one along with most people.
Unless you can see an alternative course of action which I'm missing.
You just have to say the vaccine boosts your defence and reduce the risk but is nit perfect.Being honest, isn't necessarily political suicide; deliberately breaching the trust of the public to take an ineffective vaccine could be considered a varying degree of murder if they get the virus and die.
Being honest and saying that we don't have a vaccine and we are reopening our economy; everyone be warned that they should proceed with caution is very different. In saying this; I am not advocating to reopen without a vaccine.
You just have to say the vaccine boosts your defence and reduce the risk but is nit perfect.
People are already unable/unwilling to compare the Swedish response to full lockdown:
They will never compare with/without that vaccine
If Sweden for example foes not vaccinate, you can say they were protected by their neighbours etc
The fake vaccine is an easy story to sell.
Wait the end of winter to release it and we will see how efficient it is, with cases dropping etc..as it did this summer in Europe..just with sun
But please bring it on ASAP, just do not force me to do it
It is very tough getting closure when wanting to farewell close friends and family who have died. Already had three friends and family pass away with similar very limited funerals.
But the unflinching reality is that large funerals held during this COVID crisis have killed scores more people people who came to pay their respects. Spread of the contagion during large funerals was horrific.
Very difficult but essential.
https://www.seniorsnews.com.au/news/17-family-members-infected-at-funeral/3986050/
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020...ing-funeral-infected-100-200702100210137.html
Even that is misleading. I don't think you will get many politicians that will go along with this idea. Personally I disagree with it.
The fake vaccine is an easy story to sell.
Wait the end of winter to release it and we will see how efficient it is, with cases dropping etc..as it did this summer in Europe..just with sun
But please bring it on ASAP, just do not force me to do it
It's funny that you seem to have faith in the honesty of politicians.
Unless you can see an alternative course of action which I'm missing.
It's funny that you seem to have faith in the honesty of politicians.
The alternative would be if eradication is actually possible.
I'm unconvinced either way on that but if (hypothetically) it turns out that WA, Tas, SA, NT have actually done it well then that's a huge political problem for anyone in Victoria or NSW arguing that it can't be done.
It's one thing politically if Melbourne or Sydney are struggling to achieve something (anything, not necessarily pandemic-related) that's been done in a big city overseas. A somewhat more embarrassing problem politically if they're scrambling to catch up to Adelaide or Hobart.
Easy.How can anyone suggest this with a straight face? Honestly, have you given it any thought at all? It makes utterly no sense to suggest we can eradicate it.
If saving lives is so important, why are we ignoring all of the preventable deaths out of those hundreds who die every day? Literally every day in Australia we have multiples of total number of human deaths caused by COVID-19.
Sxdly well aware of that..If government was going to go down that track, a vaccine and then that allows the economy to re-open, I expect that anyone who didn't receive it would find themselves ostracised in practice.
Government might not force you to have it but fair chance all sorts of businesses decide to impose conditions of entry and the law backs them in doing so. Eg Airlines are one that may well decide no vaccination certificate = no boarding.
Not having it would thus become somewhat like choosing to not have a mobile phone, credit card or any form of photo ID. No law saying you must do it, government isn't forcing you, but in practice you'll have a lot of trouble living a normal life if you don't go along with it.
Very simple: do you think possible to have eradication world-wide?Easy.
Perth, population 2 million, isn't exactly a little country town and Tasmania in the middle of winter isn't exactly warm. About the only thing in common between them is that both have at least possibly eradicated it.
If it turns out they haven't really done it well then it's a failure but at this stage it seems at least plausible.
Everything from aircraft to share trading are "impossible" if you make a half-hearted attempt which fails and then give up. Given what's at stake, it would be foolish to not pursue all possible options.
arrrrgg I have to give up even trying posting from my phone.Apologies for the manglingVery simple: do you think possible to have eradication world-wide?
I think it is pretty clear that the answer is no? Can anyone even try to disagree on that?
So out of this now fact
If we eradicate tomorrow in OZ.we xan argue it is or was possible.i agree it could but for what next
What next is where economic cost collapsed
We were not even able to stop boat landing from shri Lanka.
Is the nayi now going to blow them up on sight?
Yo norrh in thr Torrens straigh,our birders are porous with png,and Indonesia fishermen.
If we want to export, boays and crews have to touch land here etc
So either you hope dream of a vaccine working and that is then an option or you fully insolate Australia
No boat plane and we become even better than North Korea.
Anything else will fail now tomorrow or next month year.ad for the costs in human lives. Millions wo medicine...
Let's be thankful that the winter spread in the south is ending that craziness.
Easy.
Perth, population 2 million, isn't exactly a little country town and Tasmania in the middle of winter isn't exactly warm. About the only thing in common between them is that both have at least possibly eradicated it.
If it turns out they haven't really done it well then it's a failure but at this stage it seems at least plausible.
Everything from aircraft to share trading are "impossible" if you make a half-hearted attempt which fails and then give up. Given what's at stake, it would be foolish to not pursue all possible options.
Those things are indeed addressed so far as practical.
Compare a 1980 car and the road rules and enforcement thereof versus a 2020 car, rules and enforcement. All up being in a car is now massively safer and countless $ billions have been spent on that.
Look at workplace safety. Like many, I've personally done things in the past that were normal at the time but downright dangerous by modern standards. Compare now with even the relatively recent past, 1990's, and it's night versus day.
Pretty much no private home had any sort of fire alarm in it 35 years ago whereas smoke detectors are are compulsory in at least some states today and common everywhere to the point that even supermarkets sell them.
The outdoor air in the CBD of even relatively small cities tested as unsafe for both asbestos and lead back in the 1980's. Since then we'll we haven't got rid of all asbestos but there's drastically less of it being dealt with and fibres released and much the same with lead, there's drastically less of it being released into the air in cities than was the case not too long ago.
30 years ago someone could have lit up a cigarette in the main area of any indoor shopping centre and nobody would have thought twice about it. Do it today and you'd be promptly escorted off the property.
And so on. It's by no means perfect but much has been done to avoid unnecessary deaths yes and especially so where exposure to the hazard is involuntary whilst going about normal life.
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