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Combating the Resurgent Taliban

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Are Aussies dying in Afghanistan so that the US can have bases in the back yard of Russia, China and Iran?

All we get told on the news is of a resurgent Taliban. I wonder who is supplying them with the weapons, Osama?




Kyrgyzstan To Set Deadline For Closing Key US Air Base
Last update: 2/3/2009 2:06:18 PM

MOSCOW (AFP)--Kyrgyzstan vowed Tuesday it would order the closure of a U.S. air base on its soil that has irritated Moscow, on the same day it received a generous Russian financial aid package.
The Manas air base serves as a vital supply route for NATO forces in Afghanistan but its location deep in former Soviet territory has annoyed an increasingly assertive Russia keen on restoring its influence in central Asia.
"The government of Kyrgyzstan has taken a decision over the ending of the time period for the American base to remain on the territory of Kyrgyzstan," President Kurmanbek Bakiyev said after talks with his Russian counterpart Dmitry Medvedev.
"The decision will be announced very soon," he added, in comments broadcast on state television. No timeframe was announced, although some reports have suggested the base will be given six months to close.
The U.S. immediately underlined the importance of the base, hoping that it would remain open and calling it "hugely important" for the resupply of U.S. forces in Afghanistan.
Coinciding with the announcement by Bakiyev, Russia agreed to a financial aid package settling an estimated $180 million debt owed by cash-strapped Kyrgyzstan to Moscow.
Russia also agreed to extend an interest free grant worth $150 million to Kyrgyzstan as well as a loan worth $2 billion, Russian news agencies reported.
There was no official mention of a link between the base's closure and the aid, but there has been intense speculation that Moscow has been using its financial muscle to get its way in its former Soviet territory.
The Kommersant newspaper said Russia "has laid down a strict condition: The provision of Russian financial help should lead to an official announcement by Kyrgyzstan on renouncing its obligations on the presence of the U.S. air base."
Bakiyev also said that by contrast the U.S. had been less forthcoming in giving aid to compensate for Bishkek's hosting of the base.
He said that when the base had been set up to assist coalition forces fighting to oust the Taliban from Afghanistan in the wake of the September 11, 2001, attacks it had only been supposed to exist for one or two years.
"Now eight years have passed. We discussed the question about economic compensation more than once with the United States but we did not find understanding," he said.
Medvedev said the base's future was a Kyrgyz issue but that "without this we would be able to join forces to enable a stabilization of the situation in the region."
The base at Manas airport near Bishkek is a supply point for Western operations in Afghanistan and had grown in importance as Washington steps up Afghan operations and faced difficulties with another route through Pakistan.
The importance of the northern route into Afghanistan was underlined as suspected militants blew up a key bridge in northwest Pakistan on Tuesday, suspending a NATO supply line.
"We are hopeful that we can continue our good relationship with the Kyrgyz government, and can continue to use Manas in support of our operations in Afghanistan," Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell said in Washington. "It is a hugely important air base for us."
On a visit to Kyrgyzstan on Monday a NATO envoy, Robert Simmons, stressed the base's importance, saying it would be a matter for "regret" if it closed.
Paul Quinn-Judge, an analyst with the International Crisis Group, said that Bakiyev was desperate for aid amid mounting problems, including an energy crisis and declining remittances from migrant workers in Russia.
There is also the prospect of elections due next year but possibly to be held sooner.
"The government is in serious financial straits. It's facing economic crisis.
"Bakiyev is haggling very hard. Quite clearly he needs the money. The unanswered question is how far he's going to be willing to go to get the money," Quinn-Judge said by phone from
 
Who is supplying them with weapons i suspect the australian motorist each time they fill er up. Saudi money has been traced to osamas mates so it wouldnt be surprising if it were going to the taliban as well
 
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/25/obamas-vietnam/
KUHNER: Obama's Vietnam?

An interesting read:
Obama and the Graveyard of Empires By GARY LEUPP
http://www.counterpunch.org/leupp12262008.html


Lastly the original and the best. This Article was written before the war in Afghanistan started. Written by Ex-CIA station chief. It is quite visionary to be honest.
http://www.foreignaffairs.org/20011...bearden/afghanistan-graveyard-of-empires.html
but here is a link to the free copy...
http://www.khyber.org/publications/006-010/afghangraveyard.shtml
 
I would find it very amusing if the Russians did the US their turn in kind, and supplied the Taleban with 1st world weaponry just like the CIA supplied the Mujahadeen with Stinger missiles in the 80's.
 
I would find it very amusing if the Russians did the US their turn in kind, and supplied the Taleban with 1st world weaponry just like the CIA supplied the Mujahadeen with Stinger missiles in the 80's.


I just reread the base closure, the important bit :
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/asiapcf/02/03/kyrgyz.base/

Interestingly the northern neighbour of Afghanistan is closing the base, the Talibans are destroying the eastern supply route (NATO and US) via Pakistan. And the spring is fast approaching....
 
Anyone see the ABC four corners - Taliban invading Afganistan!!
watch it here...

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2008/s2496178.htm

Man - those crazy f@ckers are coming!! and if they get large chunks of pakistan - and it's looking likely - then they'll be EVERYONES problem!!!
- not just the Sri Lankan cricketers!!

I predict USA and allies in Pakistan very soon. And probably, sadly - the sooner the better. There is no choice now IMO. Pakistan military is not capable of handling Taliban.
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Another plug - if you wanna get a feel for how they operate read (or watch) 'the kiterunner' - fantastic book, and the movie does it justice.
 
iraq and afganistan dont escape as major causes of america's current economic problems.

wars are expensive.
 
isnt western media great....

whe nrussia invaded afgahnistan, its defenders were called Mujahaddin (freedom fighters)....

when america invades, its defenders (regardless that they are just citizens) are called 'taleban'.....

evil people those 'taleban'. they all but wiped out the opium poppy fields whilst in power. afgahnistans opium crop fell to 10% of usual.

now that the us runs the show, the poppies are back, running at full capacity.


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Whether 'constructed' by the never ending manipulations of the world powers or not... they are evil by measure of any society (but their own). and their name is irrelevant.

watch the report. They would have your and my head in a flash - just to scare the bloke standing next to you into submission.

They have been doing this for a long time - while travelling on Turkey about 10 years ago - I saw in the turkish english language newspaper, the case of a man and woman accused of adultery. They were taken into a football stadium at half time and stoned to death. This is how they rule - terrorise the population. then recruit more soldiers for jihad... ie - be recruited - or be killed. not much of a choice.

- Schools destroyed,
- women abused and pushed back to the status of 'baby factory'.

is that good?
or
would you jump on a plane to go live there and bring up your kids?
 
Below is the report from ABC's four corners website on the Taliban in Pakistan.

Watch video interviews on ABC website here : http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2008/s2496178.htm

(I know I really shouldn't post this here - but being that this is such an important issue, AND the ABC is our free national broadcaster AND i have included the link to their site to watch the video interviews etc - I don't think they'll mind. Feel free to remove it Joe if you think it's too much)

I just feel this issue is about to become so big - folks need to get an idea of what is going on over there.... This will be way bigger than IRAQ in my opinion.

 
Terry Taliban receives a lot of funding from the poppy fields. While theydon't phyisically own or work the fields but by sheer terror tactics they appropriate a high percentage of the money.

So who is funding the Taliban

Every drug addict, dope pusher, corrupt politician and cop throughout the world.

UBIQUE
 
Every Cop ?

Think he meant 'every corrupt cop'...

- but this is about much more than poppies and heroin I think, though obviously - cutting off funds is a major strategy.

It's about an ideology that is violently opposed to just about any kind of freedom you can imagine - except the freedom to blow yourself up for a fairytale god.

An ideology that grows only by intimidation - threat of violence and death.

We are talking Pakistani police officers beheaded and displayed in the town square to keep the locals quiet.

If they - the Taliban - come anywhere near us - we'll wish we had opium to forget our pitiful lives!
 
decriminalise marijuana and let people grow their own backyard stash. get the government to provide free doses of heroin to registered users at shooting galleries with medical and support services on hand. not sure how to handle cocaine, ecstasy and speed, need more input on this.

people want to do drugs. accept it, manage it and move on, then make life difficult for the criminal cartels.

illegal drugs is a BILLION dollar black industry that goes on to finance illegal arms acquisition, terrorism and god knows what else. legislative management will do more than a million dollars enforcement. how hard is it? human psychology is not rocket science.
 

Our way of life is in direct conflict with what they want, if compromise is not reached we are in for a bumpy future.

Even is Sydney church was torched only last week or couple of weeks ago.
It could be said well things are torched and few people from Victoria could second that, but if motif was not only to torch.

Remember last year Vietnamese little take away shop owner virtually run out of funds to repair shop as Police did not protect them and because they were selling pork products they were under constant attacks.
Finally they moved out, if this is how things are done in Australia we will be in for a bumpy future too.
 
Lets hope he did .

Thanks Dukey.

Bobby my appologies yes I meant every corrupt cop I have mates who are in the force and know that I respect the often difficult and unrewarded tasks that they perform.

But also given if it wasnt for the poppies they would soon find another funding source. What people cannot comprehend is that we are dealing with extremely dangerous religious fanatics. In some ways you could say a country full of hitlers. Back in 1940 one was hard enough to defeat when you are talking of thousands of Hilters as well as their brainwashed/coerced/threatened followers you will start to see the impossible and unatainable goal that was set when he allies went into the country.

For every Taliban Leader that is killed or captured there are 20+ to take his place.

The solution? Everyone has an opinion but the facts are you will never destroy the Taliban yes we can weaken him but he will always bounce back.

One possible scenario drive them into a few provinces and offer them a deal let them rule their own part of the country ie divide the country. Allow those who have embrassed the new found freedom that they have progressed to in the other half.

Build a berlin style wall between the two sides them use political and trade embargo's to try to get them to soften their stance. It wouldnt take long for the brainwashed followers to realise **** life is better on the othe side of the wall I am going to desert and live the other life.

Take away the follower base and the the Taliban will be neutralised. No Taliban Leader has ever been a suicide bomber, he is happy to sit in his bunker and send other off to die. So we have to start a hearts and minds process on the average follower.

UBIQUE

PS, this is by no means a foolproof answer but it is definately a better answer to the one we have at the moment.

Surely the yanks must realise the hit and retire process along with the accomanying hearts and minds process used in Nam did not work.

They would go in drive the enemy out out the village then retire back to their base.. what happened the VC returned the next day nothing was achieved except those villagers who where deamed to be co-operative with the allied forces were tortured and killed. The exact same scenario is happening with Terry Taliban.

Maybe a return to the sweeping extended fronts of WW1 and 2 are required, start on one border end extend the line drive them backwards and dont stop till you reach the other side. The downside is of course the taxi driver that drives you during the day is the bomb maker by night. but after maybe a few sweeps accross the country will flush them out. Yes it will take yrs but what the we have been in their for yrs now and have acheived bugger all

Enough of my ranting can you tell I have had a bad morning in the markets
 
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The solution? Everyone has an opinion but the facts are you will never destroy the Taliban yes we can weaken him but he will always bounce back.

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Not achievable, but if they could have only female children, something would have to change.
 
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