Chris Mainwaring Dead at 41

[Duckman#72]

OK, let's wait until the facts are out. But if the facts confirm reckless drug/alcohol binge consumption, then I trust you will not take the 'head in the sand' - 'he was a good guy, let's not speak ill of the recently departed' kind of approach to excuse it. Because that is absolutely the wrong message to send our kids. And we have done too much of this in past - no wonder kids get conflicting messages from the guiding generations!

Great post Prospector.

Yes - sure it was a shame. Yes - we need to wait for the full details to emerge. But there are some things that we already know. It has been confirmed by eye witness reports that he had been out on the street causing a disturbance early in the day. Police also confirmed that they had spoken to Chris and he told them that he had been using cannabis and ecstacy earlier in the day. What innuendo are you referring to?

I am sick and tired of the "tragic shame" approach afforded to footballers and other sporting heros when dealing with drugs. So many columns in the paper bring to everyone's attention what a "wonderful rogue", "inspiration footballer" and how he was "troubled and misunderstood".

Was he depressed? Was he mentally ill?...............he most probably was. But that doesn't make him a hero. To me the heroes are the tens of thousands of ordinary Dad's around Australia, that are landscape gardners, bankers, butchers, teachers and garbo's, all with wives, children and mortgages that suffer from mental illness, who all cope. Some cope by seeking counselling, some struggle on one day at a time, some take medication, but what they all have in common is they have learned to survive. For their own sake and for the sake of their wives and children.

Certainly there are trappings and pitfalls associated with being a successful sportsperson - but please don't post on here and tell the everyday Dad's who manage to cope that Chris Mainwaring had it any tougher than them. Mental illness affect's every section in the community - please don't just glorify the tragedy for sportsmen. Moreover - let's not be tolerant of drug use for the famous. That is a slap in the face for the everyman.

Duckman

 

[nomore4s]

Great post Prospector.

Yes - sure it was a shame. Yes - we need to wait for the full details to emerge. But there are some things that we already know. It has been confirmed by eye witness reports that he had been out on the street causing a disturbance early in the day. Police also confirmed that they had spoken to Chris and he told them that he had been using cannabis and ecstacy earlier in the day. What innuendo are you referring to?

I am sick and tired of the "tragic shame" approach afforded to footballers and other sporting heros when dealing with drugs. So many columns in the paper bring to everyone's attention what a "wonderful rogue", "inspiration footballer" and how he was "troubled and misunderstood".

Was he depressed? Was he mentally ill?...............he most probably was. But that doesn't make him a hero. To me the heroes are the tens of thousands of ordinary Dad's around Australia, that are landscape gardners, bankers, butchers, teachers and garbo's, all with wives, children and mortgages that suffer from mental illness, who all cope. Some cope by seeking counselling, some struggle on one day at a time, some take medication, but what they all have in common is they have learned to survive. For their own sake and for the sake of their wives and children.

Certainly there are trappings and pitfalls associated with being a successful sportsperson - but please don't post on here and tell the everyday Dad's who manage to cope that Chris Mainwaring had it any tougher than them. Mental illness affect's every section in the community - please don't just glorify the tragedy for sportsmen. Moreover - let's not be tolerant of drug use for the famous. That is a slap in the face for the everyman.

Duckman

Good post Duckman

 

[Rafa]

Certainly there are trappings and pitfalls associated with being a successful sportsperson - but please don't post on here and tell the everyday Dad's who manage to cope that Chris Mainwaring had it any tougher than them. Mental illness affect's every section in the community - please don't just glorify the tragedy for sportsmen. Moreover - let's not be tolerant of drug use for the famous. That is a slap in the face for the everyman.

here here....

 

[chops_a_must]

Chops:
2) An example of Cousins was made by banning him from playing for x number of weeks, sending him off to rehab in California which they supposedly funded? How come Kerr and other players have not been treated the same way? Regardless of whether the punishment is right or wrong at least show some consistency..Plenty of things in AFL really aren't consistent though (how many times Collingwood travel out Melb compared to other teams just to name one..)

I assume that you are really insinuating that the AFL barely made an example of Cousins. I agree 100%. I think Demetriou is an absolute joke, and i think the way they handled the situation was a joke.

Firstly, the AFL never banned him for any length of time.

Secondly, they had to allow for his treatment being paid for under the salary cap due to the fact that the AFL admitted they had not had a positive test from Cousins. So they had to assume his treatment was career related. Hence the AFL's scrutiny of the Eagles procedures, and Benny's refusal to admit what his treatment was actually for.

I don't think Kerr has been treated any differently. It has not been widely reported, nor is it widely known that Kerr had a criminal record before this year. Nor is it widely known or reported who was in the car with Q Lynch when he drove drunk and led police on a high speed chase for instance.

 

[dhukka]

Great post Prospector.

Yes - sure it was a shame. Yes - we need to wait for the full details to emerge. But there are some things that we already know. It has been confirmed by eye witness reports that he had been out on the street causing a disturbance early in the day. Police also confirmed that they had spoken to Chris and he told them that he had been using cannabis and ecstacy earlier in the day. What innuendo are you referring to?

I am sick and tired of the "tragic shame" approach afforded to footballers and other sporting heros when dealing with drugs. So many columns in the paper bring to everyone's attention what a "wonderful rogue", "inspiration footballer" and how he was "troubled and misunderstood".

Was he depressed? Was he mentally ill?...............he most probably was. But that doesn't make him a hero. To me the heroes are the tens of thousands of ordinary Dad's around Australia, that are landscape gardners, bankers, butchers, teachers and garbo's, all with wives, children and mortgages that suffer from mental illness, who all cope. Some cope by seeking counselling, some struggle on one day at a time, some take medication, but what they all have in common is they have learned to survive. For their own sake and for the sake of their wives and children.

Certainly there are trappings and pitfalls associated with being a successful sportsperson - but please don't post on here and tell the everyday Dad's who manage to cope that Chris Mainwaring had it any tougher than them. Mental illness affect's every section in the community - please don't just glorify the tragedy for sportsmen. Moreover - let's not be tolerant of drug use for the famous. That is a slap in the face for the everyman.

Duckman

As others have said, excellent post Duckman.

 

[whitta27]

I've just heard a rumor that Gardiner and Cousins will be sacked today by the West Coast Eagles for drug related issues.. - That came from an AFL player from another club.. -

COuld be just a rumor. we'l have to wait and see

 

[buggalug]

I've just heard a rumor that Gardiner and Cousins will be sacked today by the West Coast Eagles for drug related issues.. - That came from an AFL player from another club.. -

COuld be just a rumor. we'l have to wait and see

Not sure how Gardiner can be sacked by the Eagles ... wouldn't he have to play for them?

 

[kevro]

Will be hard for the Eagles to sack Gardner as he has been at St Kilda for the last year.

 

[Prospector]

Certainly there are trappings and pitfalls associated with being a successful sportsperson - but please don't post on here and tell the everyday Dad's who manage to cope that Chris Mainwaring had it any tougher than them. Mental illness affect's every section in the community - please don't just glorify the tragedy for sportsmen. Moreover - let's not be tolerant of drug use for the famous. That is a slap in the face for the everyman.

Yes Duckman, thankyou for eloquently saying exactly what I have been thinking! And trying to state, but with less success than you!

It is a regrettable part of Australian culture to forgive our 'naughty boys' for actions that we would not accept from mere mortals, like most of us. Maybe it comes from the Ned Kelly/Eureka stockade history.

 

[Julia]

I haven't commented in this thread because I'm not into sporting heroes and thought I should keep my feelings to myself.

So, Duckman, I just want to thank you for expressing so well all that I've been suppressing. Great comments.

 

[astor]

It’s sad how a serious topic such as drugs seems only to be debated within the footy/sports media forum. Such a waste. Drugs are a massive issue within our society that deserve to be considered on a mature level. Pontificating on the rights and wrongs of our beloved football clubs and the young men/boys that make them up seems only to promote a trivial, tabloid and shallow dialogue on the issue. Let’s get real here people focusing the argument on a select group of testosterone fuelled, risk taking young men who are able to live an excessive life style that also lends it’s self to a certain degree of arrogance/confidence is, well, ignorant-unintelligent-and bitchy.

R I P Chris Mainwaring

 

[Gspot]

Mainy was employed by Channel 7 Perth for the last 10 years. Maybe we should look at the drug culture in media, and go random test people employed by Channel 7? Actors included.

 

[IFocus]

Hi Astor

It’s sad how a serious topic such as drugs seems only to be debated within the footy/sports media forum. Such a waste. Drugs are a massive issue within our society that deserve to be considered on a mature level. Pontificating on the rights and wrongs of our beloved football clubs and the young men/boys that make them up seems only to promote a trivial, tabloid and shallow dialogue on the issue. Let’s get real here people focusing the argument on a select group of testosterone fuelled, risk taking young men who are able to live an excessive life style that also lends it’s self to a certain degree of arrogance/confidence is, well, ignorant-unintelligent-and bitchy.

R I P Chris Mainwaring

Thanks for your comments

Focus

 

[hangseng]

I've just heard a rumor that Gardiner and Cousins will be sacked today by the West Coast Eagles for drug related issues.. - That came from an AFL player from another club.. -

COuld be just a rumor. we'l have to wait and see

I rest my case with the absolute rubbish and low life lying that this thread has produced.

ASF/Wayne how can you possibly defend this as "free speech"

If this was a stock chat this complete thread would have been wiped or at least quite a number of individuals would have been checked for the blatant rubbish and lies that have been publicly posted.

This thread has lowered the value of ASF for me as a quality forum.

Gardner???? not with the Eagles for some time. Cousins came to the aid of a friend. "sacked" you have displayed clear low life traits with that rubbish.

Oh so holier than thou you all are. Lets hope you never suffer the effects of depression. No wonder it is this countries single biggest cause of death apart from old age with such open ignorance being displayed.

To the poster stating "mixed messages to our children" you have no idea at all. I have two wonderful well balanced young adults who display far more compassion and understanding than you did in your enlightening post.

Disgusting display by the lot of you.

 

[hangseng]

Great post Prospector.

Yes - sure it was a shame. Yes - we need to wait for the full details to emerge. But there are some things that we already know. It has been confirmed by eye witness reports that he had been out on the street causing a disturbance early in the day. Police also confirmed that they had spoken to Chris and he told them that he had been using cannabis and ecstacy earlier in the day. What innuendo are you referring to?

I am sick and tired of the "tragic shame" approach afforded to footballers and other sporting heros when dealing with drugs. So many columns in the paper bring to everyone's attention what a "wonderful rogue", "inspiration footballer" and how he was "troubled and misunderstood".

Was he depressed? Was he mentally ill?...............he most probably was. But that doesn't make him a hero. To me the heroes are the tens of thousands of ordinary Dad's around Australia, that are landscape gardners, bankers, butchers, teachers and garbo's, all with wives, children and mortgages that suffer from mental illness, who all cope. Some cope by seeking counselling, some struggle on one day at a time, some take medication, but what they all have in common is they have learned to survive. For their own sake and for the sake of their wives and children.

Certainly there are trappings and pitfalls associated with being a successful sportsperson - but please don't post on here and tell the everyday Dad's who manage to cope that Chris Mainwaring had it any tougher than them. Mental illness affect's every section in the community - please don't just glorify the tragedy for sportsmen. Moreover - let's not be tolerant of drug use for the famous. That is a slap in the face for the everyman.

Duckman

Police have confirmed no such thing. State your factual source!

Note news media is not a source, they are on record with this matter.

 

[hangseng]

Mainy was employed by Channel 7 Perth for the last 10 years. Maybe we should look at the drug culture in media, and go random test people employed by Channel 7? Actors included.

Perhaps start in Victoria where the Victorian players were implicated by the media and the AFL promptly shut this story down. What a farce.

Despite publicly taking any opportunity to permit the media to have a go at Eagles players and continue to do so.

 

[hangseng]

Yes, I think the boys in blue will have some questions for BC. Worst case, he's provided the e that's killed him. Golly...

Kennas as a moderator I would expect you to be above this. I quite frankly can't believe you actually wrote something like that.

No proof of drugs exists, let alone "e" or otherwise as you imply.

 

[2020hindsight]

time will tell - hard to keep "cause of death" a secret these days, even if you wanted to.

HS
I take it you object to speculation on the matter of whether drugs were involved -

presumably if drugs are found to be the cause, you will permit some discussion around the topic - who knows ? it may warn others

 

[hangseng]

HS
I take it you object to speculation on the matter of whether drugs were involved -

presumably if drugs are found to be the cause, you will permit some discussion around the topic - who knows ? it may warn others

I find a lot more than that here distasteful.

Blatant lying, double standards and complete disrespect for starters!

Ignorance I can forgive, the rest I simply cannot.

 

[wayneL]

I find a lot more than that here distasteful.

Blatant lying, double standards and complete disrespect for starters!

Ignorance I can forgive, the rest I simply cannot.

hangseng,

In order to live up to your own standards of evidence, can you point out some instances of these transgressions in this thread?

Thanks