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China a Failed State and a Rogue State to the rest of the World

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finicky said:
For sure.
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When you live in China, the most striking fact, at least for me, is the low value attached to an individual; while the west might have gone overboard and is ready to kill thousands to save one, in China, your value is what you bring to the "great China"..I think this is even past the CCP influence but a cultural embedded thinking.
In the same way a bee or ant would sacrifice for the hive, a Han life is dedicated to the Mother China benefits.
Any individual profit, advances is a side effect
This explains a lot IMHO on the psyche of China /Chineses including O/S Chinese irrespective of their passport, or even how many generations have lived in San Francisco, Malaysia or Singapore.
I often take a contradictory position to the postings here, sadly I am not paid by the CCP, and honestly the CCP is not an angel, more on the other side indeed but I try to understand what is happening there, how people think, etc.
I noticed also that since I left China during covid, Xi has changed the way he is dealing with the west in a major way.
Not sure a westerner could start a Startup nowadays there as easily as we did ore covid.
Things change, probably for the worst imho as we are heading to a hot war, but the culture and psyche remains , and need to be known by our western leader..good luck with that except maybe Rudd..I might end up a fan 😂
Prose over😉
 
qldfrog said:
but I try to understand what is happening there, how people think, etc.
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I take a slightly more sophisticated view - Communism is an evil ideology, those that are at the forefront of it are power lusting lying sc*mbags. The most toxic manifestation today of Communism is the CCP.

As for Chinese culture per se, there is too much greedy materialism and their behaviour towards animals and the environment sucks. Not a fan.

I really do prefer that people just agree with me.
 
finicky said:
I take a slightly more sophisticated view - Communism is an evil ideology, those that are at the forefront of it are power lusting lying sc*mbags. The most toxic manifestation today of Communism is the CCP.

As for Chinese culture per se, there is too much greedy materialism and their behaviour towards animals and the environment sucks. Not a fan.

I really do prefer that people just agree with me.
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My own view is the most toxic is the socialism destroying the west, the Macron, Trudeau, Jacinta style, WEF merging of world corporation refusing real capitalism as comoetitive and using the communism slogan and make believe to reach world suoremacy
Obviously, a North Korean would disagree rightly but is North Korea communist?..I do not think so, nor is China anymore in my opinion?
Just another authoritarian dictature...
So I might disagree with you. 😉
But overall, communism, socialism or the green and teal bastardy versions are no friend of mine as Basilio and Cie would agree😄
 
Again, I'm sensing some demurral on your part.
qldfrog said:
a North Korean would disagree rightly but is North Korea communist?..I do not think so, nor is China anymore in my opinion?
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Oh yeah, they're both communist alright - the ultimate big brother manifestation of it. Anything else is just what's idealised by words in a book written by a bearded jew slob who mooched off friends and never did a real job (because capitalism). Succeeded by all the intellectual effete bums who created jobs for themselves in the universities and perverted the young minds of useful idiots (like me for a while)
 
finicky said:
Again, I'm sensing some demurral on your part.

Oh yeah, they're both communist alright - the ultimate big brother manifestation of it. Anything else is just what's idealised by words in a book written by a bearded jew slob who mooched off friends and never did a real job (because capitalism). Succeeded by all the intellectual effete bums who created jobs for themselves in the universities and perverted the young minds of useful idiots (like me for a while)
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My young mind luckily realised very quickly the idiocy of communism, even with a grand father unionist in the national railway and proud member of the French communist party till his death, and both parents teachers..so as here key members of the socialist party..
My leftist trend was washed away by the time I was old enough to vote😂
A black sheep
 
Ok, not always 100% in line with @finicky but we will agree on this one if true
Link that to the disappearance of steel stockpiles mentioned in another thread..we might be heading into fast action there not that i wish that.
Imagine the carnage for the Australian economy not to mention market and currency .as for Taipei..
Many will blame Trump.....
 
qldfrog said:
Ok, not always 100% in line with @finicky but we will agree on this one if true
Link that to the disappearance of steel stockpiles mentioned in another thread..we might be heading into fast action there not that i wish that.
Imagine the carnage for the Australian economy not to mention market and currency .as for Taipei..
Many will blame Trump.....
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This is China's golden opportunity, but I'm not sure they're ready.
 
Sean K said:
This is China's golden opportunity, but I'm not sure they're ready.
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I do not think either, plus until Trump is in power, not a given, they can let us sink our western boat alone.
Let EU and US disintegrate while gathering gold, swapping usd reserves into assets and increasing own economy while pushing the decoupling with western exports ..outch fmg rio and bhp, alp too...
I also suspect they are full on in Ukraine getting all the data and Reverse engineering on all the nato/us weapons deployed there.
This is the interest of both Russia and China, and it seems the west is all too willing to trial their latest gadget there.
I have to travel to Europe soon.
China airline (Taiwan) has good pricing but adding: Taiwan stopover, flying asia to europe and staying in Europe for 2 weeks in the coming 2 months is not fitting well with my risk management strategy .
Even if the week travelling thru France is probably the riskier....😭
 
qldfrog said:
I do not think either, plus until Trump is in power, not a given, they can let us sink our western boat alone.
Let EU and US disintegrate while gathering gold, swapping usd reserves into assets and increasing own economy while pushing the decoupling with western exports ..outch fmg rio and bhp, alp too...
I also suspect they are full on in Ukraine getting all the data and Reverse engineering on all the nato/us weapons deployed there.
This is the interest of both Russia and China, and it seems the west is all too willing to trial their latest gadget there.
I have to travel to Europe soon.
China airline (Taiwan) has good pricing but adding: Taiwan stopover, flying asia to europe and staying in Europe for 2 weeks in the coming 2 months is not fitting well with my risk management strategy .
Even if the week travelling thru France is probably the riskier....😭
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China has been playing the long game for decades. I don't think they'll jump until they're completely ready. Their problem is that we know this and have been developing alliances in the background for a while that means if they jump they have the rest of the world against them. Will France get involved in a South China Sea event considering what they own not too far away? Noumea was a next stepping stone for the Japanese in WW2.
 
Sean K said:
China has been playing the long game for decades. I don't think they'll jump until they're completely ready. Their problem is that we know this and have been developing alliances in the background for a while that means if they jump they have the rest of the world against them. Will France get involved in a South China Sea event considering what they own not too far away? Noumea was a next stepping stone for the Japanese in WW2.
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well Noumea is under France control in august 24..hum...not so sure anymore, one of my Noumea friend and his longtime NC companion looking for job in Brisbane right now...
they came back last fortnight..the exodus has started, the churches and shops are burning
discount France.
they may allow plane landing etc about it
 
China is collapsing in a heap, it's a paper tiger, but what China is really good at is causing other countries to collapse in a heap through the use of propaganda, soft power, elite capture, control of foreign governments and education systems.

In Australia we've literally had CCP agents working on education boards and shaping the curriculum of local schools, and multiple politicians caught red-handed doing deals with the CCP. Daniel Andrews, while premier of Victoria, was caught doing secret deals with the CCP and when asked why he didn't inform the Australian government, his 'excuse' was that the CCP didn't want him to keep it secret from the Australian government. Let's not forget that the CCP openly states that it considers the West its enemy and it is at war with the West. When an open admission of treason is accepted as a reasonable excuse, you know who's controlling things.

Let's not even go down the rabbit hold of what's happening to the USA.

Communism is outright evil and destructive, and it's no coincidence that so much of the Western world is getting keen to embrace communism or related structures while the CCP controls Tik Tok, has so much influence over Hollywood, etc.
 
Real Communists have no God. I had an erstwhile 'friend' who was a non intellectual communist. He was like Stalin, animalistically sniffing out where power and money was. Sported a Mao cap as a student. Visited China and came back describing the clapping welcoming crowds without a hint of questioning the authenticity. He became an official of the VSTA (Victorian Secondary Teachers Association). Well adjusted to the ways of the world and rapidly becoming corrupted. He's my model for what a commie is. He said to me once, "Everything is power" and he meant it. He meant everything is political and social power of course - he couldn't repair a machine or start a business or .. anything at all really. But he was successful. He also sneeringly referred to a neighbour as "a little Aussie battler".
Liberty, Equality, Fraternity.
 
finicky said:
Real Communists have no God. I had an erstwhile 'friend' who was a non intellectual communist. He was like Stalin, animalistically sniffing out where power and money was. Sported a Mao cap as a student. Visited China and came back describing the clapping welcoming crowds without a hint of questioning the authenticity. He became an official of the VSTA (Victorian Secondary Teachers Association). Well adjusted to the ways of the world and rapidly becoming corrupted. He's my model for what a commie is. He said to me once, "Everything is power" and he meant it. He meant everything is political and social power of course - he couldn't repair a machine or start a business or .. anything at all really. But he was successful. He also sneeringly referred to a neighbour as "a little Aussie battler".
Liberty, Equality, Fraternity.
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@finicky Hmmm if this "mate" was so entrenched with the Communist way of life I am surprised he didn't want to leave these shores and take up residence in Mao's State where he join in with the clapping and cheering hordes on demand. But then he wouldn't have had the freedom that we possess.
 

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