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Roe, in Australia we get very cheap hydrocarbon fuel compared to the main commercial markets for SOFC technology. This is part of the reason why CFU are focusing their efforts on UK, Europe and Japan. Climate and population are also obvious factors, aswell as government support.
If this unit can work in Australia with a ROI of 7 years then it is going to kick some serious **** in countries where most of those factors are positives (in Australia they are negatives).
We have low population, low fuel costs, low government support and warm climate and Bluegen is still very competitive. I think it is largely a marketing excercise in Australia, although it could provide some initial cashflow to get mass production supported in Europe.
Once CFU gets some government support
Off topic but there's an easy way around this problem. Change the anode and flush the tank every 5 years and it ought to last quite a while.Similarly hot water systems up until the 70's were made from copper with an average life of around 25 years. The accountants decided that forcing people to change hotwater systems every 10 years was far more profitable for them so from the early 80's engineering systems were modified to ensure a maximum life of around 12-14 years (if you were lucky..).
Guys, comparing solar panels to Bluegen is a bit ridiculous frankly. From a purely economic point of view, subsidised 1kw Solar Panels take between 2 and 3 times longer than a non-subsidised Bluegen to realise return on investment.... Yes, A Bluegen takes 7yrs and solar panels take 15-20 years with government free money, without government free money it can be up to 50yrs ROI....
Once CFU gets some government support those solar numbers will really become obsolete in my opinion. In fact this Choice article summarises that you are better off spending $4-$7 per week on "green" electricity than installing a solar array.
http://www.choice.com.au/viewArticl...008&p=3&title=Solar+panels:+counting+the+cost
If they had brought to market a device that could be used remotely on lpg, (no electricity connection) the immediate market would have been large enough to enable further research. The only competition would have been expensive to run diesel generators, or expensive large solar arrays.
Instead they have a product that is expensive, high maintenance, needs electricity, gas and water connected.......
..to produce electricity, at times that you ofter don't need it.
brty
Don't forget that the solar panels only generate while the sun is out and less than their rated kW when there is cloud cover, the BluGen will output rated kW 24/7.That doesn't sound quite right. It appears you can buy a 2kW solar panel system for about $23K, or $15K after the government subsidy
That's why you look at it over a year, CFU mentioned that the BlueGen would produce about twice the average household electricity usage.The long startup time would be a problem, except that what you don't use of the 2kW is exported to the grid. This is the same principle as is used for solar cell systems, which then need not have expensive and limited lifetime storage batteries. When you are away from home, the BlueGen or solar panels continue working and you make a profit selling electricity to the utility company. If the economics is right, you could in theory set up your own micro power station business. On the other hand, when you are home and have all your electrical devices going at once, you take and pay for extra current from the grid.
Don't forget that the solar panels only generate while the sun is out and less than their rated kW when there is cloud cover, the BluGen will output rated kW 24/7.
cheers
Realistically 2900 - 3700 kWh per annum from the 2kW solar panels versus 17,500 from 2kW baseload generation from any source (eg the Bluegen).Yes, that's a point. The average power output per day of the 2kW solar array would be much less than 2kW.
That said, running the Bluegen baseload 24/7 only works as long as the idea doesn't become too popular. It falls in a hole big time in terms of overall system generation and primary energy supply if scaled up beyond reasonable limits. Same applies to grid-connected solar, although in practice it's less likely the limits would actually be reached.
Possible though I'd see a move to gas powered vehicles and a global repricing of gas as a transport fuel as far more likely. Both of those points are already a lot more "market ready" than electric cars, and the move towards gas price globalisation has been gaining momentum for years (already a reality in WA, hence the renewed interest in coal-fired power generation).One big change that could occur in the next few years would be rapid rise in electric vehicles which would look for off peak recharging. Would fit in nicely with a Bluegen system either in the home or as a means of boosting off peak electricity supply . (which of course doesn't need boosting...)
I bought 8000 @ 0.27 on a few days back so have been hit with the recent falls....With the announcement of the Bluegen last week I wonder why it has fallen by so much. Any ideas?
I'm better with the technical (electrical) than the share price charts so I'll offer a few comments.Using such a system in the USA based on current pricing and above comments makes no sense. It would be interesting to know how many therms of gas it takes to produce 1 KWH of electricity? Then would give us a better idea of the economics of this type of technology. The exhibited plant is also advertized as plugged up to an ancient technology tank water heater. IF the technology were so advanced you would think that they would plug it up to a tankless system? None of which makes any sense.
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