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S73417H said:
Thanks for the charting insight guys. Much appreciated. Generally speaking I approach technologies such as these with some skepticism, but it just looks so polished. Time to take a punt I think.
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Thank you S73417H.
May I suggest you (go to a library to) read relevant chapters from many fine technical charting books and then (if you haven't already done so) decide if you are a "someone who habitually doubts accepted beliefs; a doubter". It's important to know what the accepted beliefs are.
I've just read a little book by an Aussie girl, Justine Pollard, and, as a start, it's got a message (imo) for skeptics of technical charting.

Vive la difference...

I hope you are right...about the time, that is.
 
rhen said:
Thank you S73417H.
May I suggest you (go to a library to) read relevant chapters from many fine technical charting books and then (if you haven't already done so) decide if you are a "someone who habitually doubts accepted beliefs; a doubter". It's important to know what the accepted beliefs are.
I've just read a little book by an Aussie girl, Justine Pollard, and, as a start, it's got a message (imo) for skeptics of technical charting.

Vive la difference...

I hope you are right...about the time, that is.
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Cheers rhen, although, I think you may have jumped to conclusions just a tad. Whilst admittedly I am no expert, I do apply technical analysis in my trades (along with fundamental). Several books by Michael Kahn and Michael Saul have been particularly helpful to me, and I would recommend their works to any investor.

As far as being a "doubter" or otherwise... I'd like to think I apply enough logical thinking to fall under the other category.

These forums are great because one can do their own research and then use the research of others as a bit of extra validation.

Whilst we are on the topic of books, I highly recommend Predictably Irrational by Dan Ariely. It's a fantastic read which offers some insight into the way humans think, and some of the social economic factors that shape our decision making.
 
rhen said:
The caning was predictable.
When you are feeling uncomfortable about CFU, try this
http://www.brr.com.au/event/58216

It works for me...and that's not beginning to cover all the possibilities of this great little Aussie machine. Anyhow, 2010 should be a big year. Who knows where this goes! (hopefully not stolen).
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Thanks for the info and the charts, Rhen- much appreciated. Thanks for your charts too, M34N. CFU looks like one to watch for sure. I didn't realise that it didn't have to run on just gas either.
 
FWIW guys, I took a long position on this one this morning at $0.18, strong volume again convinced me to do it. Here's hoping!
 
Seems to be edging back up.Heartening to see it hold on to its daily high.
I would rather a steady climb..albeit with some falls than the Yo yo of pump 'n dump :)

Volume of around 14 mil is still respectable.
 
Boyou said:
Seems to be edging back up.Heartening to see it hold on to its daily high.
I would rather a steady climb..albeit with some falls than the Yo yo of pump 'n dump :)

Volume of around 14 mil is still respectable.
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I've been hoping it would fall over the last few days so I could pick up another parcel, but it's not following the market trend:( ..........good for my current holding, not so good for me wanting to pick up a bunch more:rolleyes:

Kicking myself now I didn't take up the 5c entitlement:banghead:

cheers
 
Macca.I know a decision on when to buy is as personal as each individuals expectations and targets BUT...CFU may never be cheaper than now.

Will you be kicking yourself harder if you don't get in at the current price?

Not advocating anything ,just observing the" benefit of hindsight perspective" you show.
I bought my first parcel way up in the 90 cents ..got some more in the rights issue at 5 cents..took another look at all the facts and now have averaged down to 30cents break even.
Sure my timing was anything but impecable,but I don't mind a punt :)
 
Boyou said:
Continuing to buck the trend of a falling market.
And adding to the gains of yesterday at 21 cents... with good volume.

For those interested here is a link to Peak Energy Blog.Fills in a few gaps about where the competition is in relation to CFU

http://peakenergy.blogspot.com/2008/03/cogeneration-at-home-ceramic-fuel-cells.html

Cheers Ya'll :)
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Yeah this one has been doing well for me lately, still think it has a bit further to run. Had a feeling this one would out-perform, their volume has been unusual, obvious sign to me is that the volume spikes on up days versus the lower volumes on down days; signaling that there may be some solid accumulation going on. And no news to cause this movement? Hmmm.
 
Smurf1976 said:
The vast majority of coal-fired capacity in Vic is operating at 27 - 30% thermal efficiency with only one plant lower than that range.

It might not sound like much, but 30% efficiency is 20% better than 25% when you do all the maths... :2twocents:)
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I was just reading through the Bluegen FAQ sheet and they show how they worked out their percentages on page 4

Basically 65-70% loss at the station to heat plus 5-8% loss over transmission lines for 22-30% efficiency at the home

Bluegen(page 5) is 50-60% efficient + 25-30% if you use the heat (since it' produced at the home there's no loss over transmission lines). CFU state up to 85% efficiency.

Output is 48kWh electricity + 200L hot water per day at a cost(inc gas+maintinance) of $5.33 per day. Take off the input tariff for excess electricity produced of 28kWh@16.5c/kWh=$4.62 from the total running costs(not inc initial outlay) and you have a cost of 71c per day for all your electricity and hot water needs(based on their figures) or $65 per quarter compared to $330(not inc cost of hot water)

Personally I was hoping for cost neutral(or positive) outcome but it's pretty close, and if you use less than what they used for their figures then you could be cost neutral, or if you also used solar panels to produce 4.3kWh per day(which would only need a 500W unit) you would be cost neutral.

cheers
 
Silly 20min edit timeout..........

Here's my edit:

I was just reading through the Bluegen FAQ sheet and they show how they worked out their percentages on page 4

Basically 65-70% loss at the station to heat plus 5-8% loss over transmission lines for 22-30% efficiency at the home

Bluegen(page 5) is 50-60% efficient + 25-30% if you use the heat (since it' produced at the home there's no loss over transmission lines). CFU state up to 85% efficiency.

Output is 48kWh electricity + 200L hot water per day at a cost(inc gas+maintinance) of $5.33 per day. Take off the input tariff for excess electricity produced of 28kWh@16.5c/kWh=$4.62 from thetotal running costs(not inc initial outlay) and you have a cost of 71c per day for all your electricity and hot water needs(based on their figures) or $65 per quarter compared to $330(not inc cost of hot water)

Say your hot water currently costs $50 per quarter, you will save about 83% on your electricity and hot water costs(not inc the $8k outlay for the BlueGen unit, which would be a 6.3 year payback)

Personally I was hoping for cost neutral(or positive) outcome but it's pretty close, and if you use 4.3kWh/day less than what they used for their figures then you would be cost neutral, or if you also used solar panels to produce 4.3kWh per day(which may only need about a 500W unit) you would be cost neutral.

cheers
 
So when did CFU say the manufacture plant will open (the one in germany)?
I remember reading october somewhere but that was a while back. Hmm wonder if they share price will skyrocket. Anyone possibly know when the plant will open?
 
If you read the latest appendix 4C, plant completion is still October this year.
I believe it will won't be until Christmas that the plant will be able to operate at full capacity.
 
So where is thing headed? It bumps between 15.5c and 17c on a regular basis. What is the factory gonna do other than "allegedly" produce the units themselves? Why Germany? Would it not be cheaper in China?

Any other announcements other than that on the horizon? How about a nice big fat contract for twenty million units to heat houses and generate electricity from the Brits? That would have to give it a kick?
 
trainspotter said:
... Why Germany? Would it not be cheaper in China?
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IMO, it makes perfect sense to manufacture in Germany, IF they intended to target EU customers, and ship direct from factory to customers/distributors, without warehousing back in Australia.

German workmanship is hard to beat to, except for perhaps the Japanese.
They should have won the war, but let's not go there!!!
China wouldn't know what "quality" was, even if it bit them on the bum. Many Chinese I have spoken to (when in China) regard their own locally made stuff as crap!
 
Thank you DVEOUS. "Made in Germany" does have certain ring to it. And as far as the EU clientelle go it makes perfect sense for distribution etc. point of view. Looking at all their recent statements has not filled me with a great deal of joy. Show me a signed contract/purchase order. NIL.
 
I called the head office to enquire about purchasing a BlueGen unit and have added to their early notice list. They expect to have production units available early next year.

cheers
 
*thanks Macca350* for the update. Can you order another twenty million or so just for comedy purposes to get this baby up and running?
 
trainspotter said:
*thanks Macca350* for the update. Can you order another twenty million or so just for comedy purposes to get this baby up and running?
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Why.........did you loose all your cash on the pokies:p:

......I wish mate, if I had that much cash I'd be sipping tequila on my own island:D

Still think this mob has a good future, my father is considering contacting CFU about using their units(or the larger units) in his private schools eco project(or something like that) he believes ceramic fuels have a big place in our eco friendly future.

cheers
 
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