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Cashless society

Thanks @Value Collector

That may carry some truth in contracted sales where options for how the contract is to be paid are negotiated and written in and signed off on.

I see problems with an entity such as Coles putting up a sign for a 5% charge on cash which devalues legal tender which in itself has a binding contract written in to it.

I’ll check with some barristers when they come down from court to spend their cash on drinks.

gg
 
The contract can be either verbal or written on a sign, I don’t think the cash handling fee would be 5% probably more like 1%

At the end of the day many businesses pass along the cost of processing electronic transactions, why not pass along the cost of cash transactions, because that cost is equally real, and often higher.

If society wants to ban passing along the cash handling costs, I would support that, provided the electronic payments were treated equally to cash.
 
I think we'll have to agree to disagree until we can get a legal opinion on it.

I see the contract written in by the government and unchangeable if buying or selling goods with cash.

You on the other hand disagree.

I will try and get a barrister's opinion on it when they are mellow and willing to give free advice and not too intoxicated that they want to shout the place down with information that should be legal in confidence.

gg
 
Cash in the bank is your friend. Credit is your crutch.

 

When & if Australia goes into recession, I wonder whether some businesses will continue to refuse cash payments.



 
Good luck if that's ever the case in a restaurant or somewhere I can open the packet before paying.
"Oh you don't want my cash, cheers for the free meal"
 
the legal way would be to have a $ (cash) price advertised and offer a discount on card payments:
nothing wrong with that I can see
If it is right for qantas to advertise prices that you can not pay in cash (online) but have an extra mandatory fee for card payment, this will go like a breeze
 
That quote I put up comes from a lawyers website that specialises in Merchant law.
 
When & if Australia goes into recession, I wonder whether some businesses will continue to refuse cash payments.
I guess it comes down to whether they believe it will lower their costs, I mean if you currently are paying armed guards to pick up cash and paying staff $25 an hour to count cash and sort floats etc, it might be well worth refusing cash, especially because almost everyone has cards these days.

I actually see people that charge surcharges on cards or have minimum spends for cards as being bigger road blocks to customers, but they seem to still sell ok.

I have noticed Coles and woolies steadily reducing the number of self checkouts that accept cash, I found myself with a bunch of cash I wanted to get rid of a couple of months back after selling some stuff, and found it hard to use the cash at Coles because the one self checkout that accepted cash always had a line, so I kept using the card instead.
 
Indeed. Is that so ?

But is it "The Vibe" ?

gg
When you think about places already add surcharges to the stated cash price all the time, take week end and public holiday pricing for example. The menu says the burrito is $8, next minute you get charged $9.60
 
When you think about places already add surcharges to the stated cash price all the time, take week end and public holiday pricing for example. The menu says the burrito is $8, next minute you get charged $9.60
Isn't there a weekend Burrito Bureau that allows traders to charge more on weekends and Public Holidays.

This has nothing to do with HM QE11 indicating the tender on the note presented.

You are going off track a little, son.

gg
 
Isn't there a weekend Burrito Bureau that allows traders to charge more on weekends and Public Holidays.

This has nothing to do with HM QE11 indicating the tender on the note presented.

You are going off track a little, son.

gg
A currencies “legal tender status” just means that it’s the accept currency of that nation, it doesn’t imply that it must be accepted, as I stated when it comes to dealing in cash each sale is still a separate contract between two parties and the seller has the right to outline the terms of that contract.
 
I know plenty of Asian restaurants, bakeries that only deal in cash.
VC is also correct. So long as you inform customers before purchase, you can refuse cash.
 

I'll tell you a short story about how some grow their business.

There are two craft breweries, both started by 3 friends, let's call one Pirate and the other Shape.

The owners of Pirate want to be the best and biggest craft brewery in the state and eventually the country, the want to emulate their American craft heroes like Sierra Nevada Brewing.

Shape wants the same thing, but Pirate has a few years head start on them.

Pirate produce all the right brews, they have tastings and sales at their brewing shed and soon offer food. Just like they do in the USA, the model for craft brewery experiences.

Shape also has the brews that customers want, great quality beers at a great venue, and food for customers to enjoy.

Both breweries win awards for their beers and sell all over the country.

Customers go to Pirate and ask if they can pay with cash "of course" says the Pirate owners. They decided long ago that without customers they are nothing, and that they will go the extra mile to try and make all their customers happy. They outgrow their location and purchase a large block of land and start building a new and bigger brewery with a fabulous area for customers.

Shape has a slightly different philosophy. The customer is one of their most important assets, productivity is king, they see a future with no cash and only electronic funds. With cash productivity is low, it is hard to collect cash, count it and bank it, which adds to the cost of doing business. Shape makes it a rule 'no cash payment'.

Soon Pirate's name is on the lips of all ages, hearing about it from friends and family. People go out of their way to visit it, and stay for a beer, food, they even have games. Games you say. Yes, even though it costs the business time and money they have all sorts of free games for people to play.

One day, just before Pirate is ready to move into the almost ready new venue, a multinational brewing giant makes a generous offer to buy the brewery and they want the whole team to stay on.
The sale went ahead, and the brewery is run by the original crew, it grows and keeps prospering, nothing changes other than their success keeps growing. Cash is still an accepted form of payment, even though a multinational company now owns it.

Even though it is at a slower rate, Shape is also growing. They have just renovated their function area and started a club membership program which has been a success (I purchased one with a friend), the beers are fantastic, staff great, customer numbers are slowly increasing but it has never come close to Pirate. And they still don't take cash.

A smart business will weigh up the cost/benefit ratio of certain practices. Take Pirate's example of having free games for customers to play, there is a cost to purchase, maintain and service. However, the benefits are high. Customers stay longer, they have fun and spread the word. Another example, cash requires someone to count and bank but the benefit is that another income stream is open, and sometimes people don't want their partner seeing the bank statement showing that they shouted their mates a round or purchased a carton of limited edition Barely Wine beer.

It's easy to see which is the smart business owner and which one is treading water.
 

In your fable, it probably doesn’t make sense to charge for using either cash or credit.

But we already know many businesses, especially ones with lower profits margins than craft beer are choosing to pass card fees along to their customers.

So we already live in a world where business owners are taking the cost of processing payments into consideration and passing the costs along to customers either directly or hidden in the price.

Cash handling isn’t free, and most of the costs are fixed, which means the cost of processing each cash transaction rises as cash becomes less popular.

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As I said previously I am not a fan of charging for either cash or credit card, I believe both should be free.

But a lot of businesses owners disagree, and charge for card, as the cost of card declines and the cost of cash rises, what will happen?
 

I can see why you sold your business.

What you call a "fable" is actually a true story; Pirate Life Sold to the World’s Largest Brewing Company

I discovered Craft Beer many years ago and took a serious interest about 15 years ago. I even traveled to the USA to enjoy their craft beer scene, touring local breweries.

In business there is a cost for everything. Opening the doors 30 minutes earlier than the competition will increase operating costs, but there may be an increase of income if extra customers come in.

Same with cash at a brewery, some of the specialty beers are very expensive and are cellared like wines, maybe someone doesn't want to advertise on their bank statement that they purchased an expensive beer. The brewery that refuses cash to save on costs may also be shutting off an extra income stream.
 
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