Brexit OUT of EU: What happens now?

[sptrawler]

Absolutely Logique Ol boy.
Boris has gunned the Spitfire to max revs pushed the stick forward and seeing how fast it can go - down hill.
Absolutely certain it will reach unheard of speeds - just before it hits the deck on 31st October.
This could be a great spectator sport - except for the troublesome possibility that on Nov 1st when the plane hits the earth, when the merde hits the fan, the UK economy will follow Boris's spitfire into the fiery pits and the rest of us we will tag along for the world ride.
(Mind you Boris will have parachuted out at 3000 feet and be hobnobbing with new best friend, the mighty narcissistic of the North THE DON !!!))
Stay liquid folks. There could be a rush on the doors in a few weeks.

I will ask you just one question Bas.
When we had the gay marriage referendum it was a yes, if the Liberal Party had said we don't like that we want another referendum, would you be as vocal to support them?
Or is it more about what you agree with, rather than democracy?

The U.K may dig in as your graphic example indicates, but I doubt it very much.

The UK had an overall trade deficit of -£64 billion with the EU in 2018. A surplus of £29 billion on trade in services was outweighed by a deficit of -£93 billion on trade in goods. The UK had a trade surplus of £44 billion with non-EU countries.

So in reality they can source imported goods from elsewhere, like the U.S and Australia.
I think too many are listening to echo chambers, I may be wrong, time will tell.

 

[wayneL]

Exactly SP

The EU is only 17% of the world economy and falling, The Americas are just across the pond, and then there's us and Asia, salivating to do a FTA.

The Uk is leaving the eu, bas, not the f***ing planet.

 

[basilio]

Exactly SP

The EU is only 17% of the world economy and falling, The Americas are just across the pond, and then there's us and Asia, salivating to do a FTA.

The Uk is leaving the eu, bas, not the f***ing planet.

Lost it Wayne.
There are (at least) two separate issues here.

1) Is UK in out of the EU ?
2) If they leave do they have some sort of orderly exit or is it a no deal break ?

One could see the decision to leave the EU as a poor decision which in the end would cost the UK dearly. However leaving on a no deal basis with scores of administrative and logistical issues unsettled is a different story. That's where the crash and burn comes in.

The suggestion that the problems could be a blip on the landscape ignores just how finely balanced world economic confidence is at the moment. The Don is kicking off trade wars around the world and demanding the US gets most favoured nation status from any deal it does. China is buckling. World debt is at all time highs. The EU is not flash.

How many sparks does one need to set off a bushfire ?

 

[wayneL]

Bazzz, no deal brexit does not mean the end of trade between the countries of the EU and the United Kingdom for God's sake. Nobody is building an impenetrable force field, impervious to planes, ships, people and common ***ing sense.

Companies will still be able to trade with each other under World Trade Oeganisation rules under as a default arrangement as has been stated a billion times now. In fact those companies will be most desirous of trading each other as they do now... especially French and German companies.

Over time, if a deal is not struck with the EU by Halloween, trade deals will be struck with individual countries, if not an overall trade deal with the EU in the future. You can take to the bank, Bazzzz... and it will be the Europeans that come cap in hand.

In fact the only thing preventing a reasonable deal being struck right at this very moment is the intransigence of the unelected European bureaucrats.

If no deal there were certainly need to be some adjustments in the short term as affairs are sorted, that's a given. Like maybe Gorganzola dolce may go uo a few pence, but the si callwd yellow hammer document is a typically unfunny progre... Err regressive left attempt at a joke, absolutely laughable.

You can look forward to Britain, having shed the yoke of EU (near) totalitarianism to become great again....

#MABA anyone?

 

[wayneL]

Oh and here's an opinion from someone who is a friend if one of my rellies from oop nawth.

 

[Knobby22]

Dominic Cummings appears to be the brains behind the plan and it's better than what I thought.

From Eurointellignence.

Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings have a strategy - and nobody else does. The prorogation plan is devious - or clever depending on your views. It tells us that this government will stop at nothing to frustrate the Remainers in the parliament, so long as it is legal.

The decision to prorogue parliament in the way they did dramatically reduces the options for the Remain supporters. There is now no time for legislation to force the government to extend Brexit. There is a little more than a week after the parliament convenes next week, and there will be a couple of weeks after the Queen’s Speech October 14.

Can this be stopped legally? Not really. It is not the prime minister who has prorogued the parliament. It was the Queen, who has her own legal counsel.

Perhaps the most interesting news story yesterday - amid a torrent of noisy outrage - was a story in Die Welt according to which Germany and the EU - for the first time - now actually believe that a no-deal Brexit is possible. We have been pointing out for the last three years that Germans in particular did not believe that Brexit would happen. The German media have been obsessed with the second referendum campaign and reported on little else. It also has been the overwhelming experience of the EU that the other side always blinks first. What yesterday’s decision did was to make it absolutely clear to the EU that the UK parliament won’t stop a no-deal Brexit.

There is no way the House of Commons and the Lords will finalize an anti-Brexit law before parliament breaks up. They would have to re-table the legislation in mid-October. But at that time Johnson and EU leaders would be in last-minute negotiations. If the talks succeed, parliament will get a last-minute take-it-or-leave-it vote.

There is still one option left for Remainers to pursue, but it is very risky. They could hold a vote of no confidence when they come back next week. If they win, the fixed-term parliaments act sets out a definitive procedure. The House of Commons has two weeks to secure a majority in support of another prime minister - a technical government as the Italians would call it. But this is unlikely as the opposition is hopelessly divided on this point. If that effort fails, the Commons would be suspended for new elections. But, crucially, it is the government that sets the date for them. Number Ten said yesterday that the date for elections would be November 1-5, that is after a no-deal Brexit. In other words, a no-confidence motion could actually trigger a no-deal Brexit, as the Commons would have deprived themselves of the opportunity to ratify a withdrawal agreement.

This is why the timing of the prorogation is so clever - no doubt the work of Cummings.

The political reality is that the anti-Brexit campaign has committed one strategic blunder after another, and failed to attract enough support. They lost two general elections, one European election and one referendum. The ferocity of their reaction is best explained as a sudden realisation that they lost. They did not see this coming.

 

[basilio]

Bazzz, no deal brexit does not mean the end of trade between the countries of the EU and the United Kingdom for God's sake. Nobody is building an impenetrable force field, impervious to planes, ships, people and common ***ing sense.

Companies will still be able to trade with each other under World Trade Oeganisation rules under as a default arrangement as has been stated a billion times now. In fact those companies will be most desirous of trading each other as they do now... especially French and German companies.

Over time, if a deal is not struck with the EU by Halloween, trade deals will be struck with individual countries, if not an overall trade deal with the EU in the future. You can take to the bank, Bazzzz... and it will be the Europeans that come cap in hand.

In fact the only thing preventing a reasonable deal being struck right at this very moment is the intransigence of the unelected European bureaucrats.

If no deal there were certainly need to be some adjustments in the short term as affairs are sorted, that's a given. Like maybe Gorganzola dolce may go uo a few pence, but the si callwd yellow hammer document is a typically unfunny progre... Err regressive left attempt at a joke, absolutely laughable.

You can look forward to Britain, having shed the yoke of EU (near) totalitarianism to become great again....

#MABA anyone?

You don't get it do you Wayne ? Totally blinded by whatever...?
Of course there will be trade in the future. On what terms we are yet to see.
But dismissing the practicalities of what is likely to happen if no deal is enacted and a host of restrictions are placed on movement is fairy tale and BS.

Your just an echo of Boris Liar and The Don.

 

[basilio]

Analogous historical precedents and their outcome for a No deal Brexit.

June 22, 1893: British Battleship Sinks British Battleship Without Firing a Shot!
https://www.historyandheadlines.com...-sinks-british-battleship-without-firing-shot/

The Charge of the Light Brigade: who blundered in the Valley of Death?
https://www.historyextra.com/period...brigade-who-blundered-in-the-valley-of-death/

 

[wayneL]

You don't get it do you Wayne ? Totally blinded by whatever...?
Of course there will be trade in the future. On what terms we are yet to see.
But dismissing the practicalities of what is likely to happen if no deal is enacted and a host of restrictions are placed on movement is fairy tale and BS.

Your just an echo of Boris Liar and The Don.

Oh come on you're being a child, Baz.

Why would there be restrictions? Different terms yes, restrictions no. Unless of course the EU bureaucrats get totally petulent... but that will be worse for the EU than Britain.

Real dumb.

 

[basilio]

Oh come on you're being a child, Baz.

Why would there be restrictions? Different terms yes, restrictions no. Unless of course the EU bureaucrats get totally petulent... but that will be worse for the EU than Britain.

Real dumb.

FMD Wayne. Who is just dumb?
What are the normal procedures for entering and leaving a foreign country ?
What do people and businesses have to do every day when they want to travel into overseas ? Just walk through like they are going to their home ?

What are restrictions ? How about a 10k line of trucks needing to go through custom ? How about the completion of all the customs declarations required to import and export product that arn't currently required?

Why not read the report to the government outlining the range of administrative issues that will arise in a no deal exit?

What happens if the UK leaves without a deal?
"No deal" means the UK will have failed to agree a withdrawal agreement.

It would mean there would be no transition period after the UK leaves and EU laws would stop applying to the UK immediately (more on that here).

The government says it is preparing for this potential situation.

It expects some food prices could rise and customs checks at borders could cost businesses billions of pounds. (Read the government's report here).

It has published a series of guides - which cover everything from mobile roaming on holiday to the impact on electricity supplies.

Here is a list of 10 ways you could be affected by a no-deal Brexit.

 

[wayneL]

Here's a credible analysis

 

[wayneL]

FMD Wayne. Who is just dumb?
What are the normal procedures for entering and leaving a foreign country ?
What do people and businesses have to do every day when they want to travel into overseas ? Just walk through like they are going to their home ?

What are restrictions ? How about a 10k line of trucks needing to go through custom ? How about the completion of all the customs declarations required to import and export product that arn't currently required?

Why not read the report to the government outlining the range of administrative issues that will arise in a no deal exit?

What happens if the UK leaves without a deal?
"No deal" means the UK will have failed to agree a withdrawal agreement.

It would mean there would be no transition period after the UK leaves and EU laws would stop applying to the UK immediately (more on that here).

The government says it is preparing for this potential situation.

It expects some food prices could rise and customs checks at borders could cost businesses billions of pounds. (Read the government's report here).

It has published a series of guides - which cover everything from mobile roaming on holiday to the impact on electricity supplies.

Here is a list of 10 ways you could be affected by a no-deal Brexit.

Ya mean, like every other country on the planet?

Like I said, there will likely be a short period of adjustment for which preparations are well underway, thanks to this new administration.

In fact, I'm so positive about Uk prispwcts now, I'm thinking of moving back into one of the two houses I own over there.

 

[basilio]

There may be a way of exiting the EU without a no deal.
Only one person can avert a no-deal Brexit. And that’s Boris Johnson
Simon Jenkins
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/29/no-deal-brexit-boris-johnson-parliament

 

[basilio]

Ya mean, like every other country on the planet?

Like I said, there will likely be a short period of adjustment for which preparations are well underway, thanks to this new administration.

In fact, I'm so positive about Uk prispwcts now, I'm thinking of moving back into one of the two houses I own over there.

Cool Send my regards to Boris and Dom..

 

[wayneL]

There may be a way of exiting the EU without a no deal.
Only one person can avert a no-deal Brexit. And that’s Boris Johnson
Simon Jenkins
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/aug/29/no-deal-brexit-boris-johnson-parliament

LMFAO bazz.

Vintage Grauniad petulance. You lot should really let the grown ups handle this, you know

 

[wayneL]

Dom..

Yes I will consider splurging on a few bottles

 

[moXJO]

Dominic Cummings appears to be the brains behind the plan and it's better than what I thought.

From Eurointellignence.

Boris Johnson and Dominic Cummings have a strategy - and nobody else does. The prorogation plan is devious - or clever depending on your views. It tells us that this government will stop at nothing to frustrate the Remainers in the parliament, so long as it is legal.

The decision to prorogue parliament in the way they did dramatically reduces the options for the Remain supporters. There is now no time for legislation to force the government to extend Brexit. There is a little more than a week after the parliament convenes next week, and there will be a couple of weeks after the Queen’s Speech October 14.

Can this be stopped legally? Not really. It is not the prime minister who has prorogued the parliament. It was the Queen, who has her own legal counsel.

Perhaps the most interesting news story yesterday - amid a torrent of noisy outrage - was a story in Die Welt according to which Germany and the EU - for the first time - now actually believe that a no-deal Brexit is possible. We have been pointing out for the last three years that Germans in particular did not believe that Brexit would happen. The German media have been obsessed with the second referendum campaign and reported on little else. It also has been the overwhelming experience of the EU that the other side always blinks first. What yesterday’s decision did was to make it absolutely clear to the EU that the UK parliament won’t stop a no-deal Brexit.

There is no way the House of Commons and the Lords will finalize an anti-Brexit law before parliament breaks up. They would have to re-table the legislation in mid-October. But at that time Johnson and EU leaders would be in last-minute negotiations. If the talks succeed, parliament will get a last-minute take-it-or-leave-it vote.

There is still one option left for Remainers to pursue, but it is very risky. They could hold a vote of no confidence when they come back next week. If they win, the fixed-term parliaments act sets out a definitive procedure. The House of Commons has two weeks to secure a majority in support of another prime minister - a technical government as the Italians would call it. But this is unlikely as the opposition is hopelessly divided on this point. If that effort fails, the Commons would be suspended for new elections. But, crucially, it is the government that sets the date for them. Number Ten said yesterday that the date for elections would be November 1-5, that is after a no-deal Brexit. In other words, a no-confidence motion could actually trigger a no-deal Brexit, as the Commons would have deprived themselves of the opportunity to ratify a withdrawal agreement.

This is why the timing of the prorogation is so clever - no doubt the work of Cummings.

The political reality is that the anti-Brexit campaign has committed one strategic blunder after another, and failed to attract enough support. They lost two general elections, one European election and one referendum. The ferocity of their reaction is best explained as a sudden realisation that they lost. They did not see this coming.

Brilliantly played. EU is dead......

 

[IFocus]

Where will the Irish border end up folks?

 

[Macquack]

Where will the Irish border end up folks?

The Irish Sea?

If Boris Johnson wants a no deal Brexit, then just ditch Northern Ireland back to where it belongs.

 

[bi-polar]

The Irish Sea?

If Boris Johnson wants a no deal Brexit, then just ditch Northern Ireland back to where it belongs.

Making Britain Great? Charles king of Ireland.