Boris will get what he wants?Winning elections tends to give leaders authority over the factions. Boris will get what he wants.
In the case of the UK I think the Conservatives won for the same reason as they did in NSW - simply because the alternatives were hilarious. I don't think it has anything to do with the working class having some latent love of Conservative values in their DNA - it just doesn't scan.
IMO.
Culturally, the working class is actually the most "conservative" section society these days.... And they know they are being sold down the river by the purported "labour movement".Yeah, OK. Other politicians will state theirs views obviously. Some might say the real catalyst was Brexit. Nothing from Blair suggests blue collar workers are conservatives and that's the hang up.
If Sarah Hanson Young took over the Labor Party here we would get the same result.
It doesn't mean we've all suddenly dabbled with Tory shit
I just think it's too simplistic to stereotype blue collar workers as affiliates for any persuasion.
Frankly, it's an insult to their intelligence.
What name do we give them when they eventually get around to voting Labour ?Culturally, the working class is actually the most "conservative" section society these days.... And they know they are being sold down the river by the purported "labour movement".
If the conservative party doesn't betray their trust, they will become long-term conservative voters, believe you me. But I readily acknowledge that the conservatives have the capacity to completely f£#@ that up.
No one is saying the workers are taking on conservative values, they are saying that workers are disagreeing with what Labour are presenting.Yeah, OK. Other politicians will state theirs views obviously. Some might say the real catalyst was Brexit. Nothing from Blair suggests blue collar workers are conservatives and that's the hang up.
If Sarah Hanson Young took over the Labor Party here we would get the same result.
It doesn't mean we've all suddenly dabbled with Tory shit
I just think it's too simplistic to stereotype blue collar workers as affiliates for any persuasion.
Frankly, it's an insult to their intelligence.
wayneL is saying the workers are taking on conservative valuesNo one is saying the workers are taking on conservative values
I'm saying that workers are disagreeing with what Labour are presenting.they are saying that workers are disagreeing with what Labour are presenting.
Well that would depend on whether the Labour party is culturally Marxist at the time. Thus far, the working class has rejected such ludicrousness.What name do we give them when they eventually get around to voting Labour ?
Cultural Marxists ?
I'm saying that workers are disagreeing with what Labour are presenting.
I think the term I used was "totally poor presentation"
I agree with "The conservatives are getting the vote by default, because they are seen as the lesser of two evils, not because the workers like them."
That's exactly what I've saying during this entire debate.
What happens if they don't know the Labour party is culturally Marxist ?Well that would depend on whether the Labour party is culturally Marxist at the time. Thus far, the working class has rejected such ludicrousness.
What happens if they don't know the Labour party is culturally Marxist ?
Most people on the street wouldn't even know the majority of the polices taken to the elections.
Better off just calling them the apolitical working class. That is what they are.
Because they didn't like Bill Shorten. Because they didn't like Jeremy Corbyn.Why did they just kick Labor and Labour to the foetid gutter of political purgatory then?
Because they didn't like Bill Shorten. Because they didn't like Jeremy Corbyn.
Any policies in particular ?I’m pretty sure policy had a lot to do with it too. At least that’s what I’ve heard others saying at the time.
Any policies in particular ?
I work two factory jobs and each has over a thousand workers on each shift. Ordinary everyday working people. The vast majority don't give two hoots about politics.
If you believe the left mate, Johnson is literally Hitler, so come on now quit bullshiting.Because they didn't like Bill Shorten. Because they didn't like Jeremy Corbyn.
Because both campaigns were atrocious, hostile and in the case of here, because Clive Palmer ran a very expensive scare campaign and directed his preferences to the Liberal Party...
Ask yourself this... how did the Australian Conservatives go ?
I don't believe the left either mate... is that the impetus of your bullshit?If you believe the left mate, Johnson is literally Hitler, so come on now quit bullshiting.
How did the Australian Conserva.... err, I mean Australian Catholics go? About as well as the the Australian Socialist Workers Party, or whatever nom de plume they go by these days
Look up the meaning of "conservative', bruh.I don't believe the left either mate... is that the impetus of your bullshit?
If you believe the right... the Liberal Party here are too far to the left so HTF does that make the working class conservative ?
Let's take a shortcut... resistance to change - such as SSM. How did that vote work out?Look up the meaning of "conservative', bruh.
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