Some get loans from the local crime gangs and have family members as collateral that will be staying behind.
I never quite understood why they pay some unwashed crim $15k to cram them into a leaky boat to come to Oz when they could go to the airport and land here for $1k, then just disappear into the crowd.
Guess I missed something.
And where do these peasants get $15k from in the first place ?
Isn't Australia already one of the highest taxed places going around?Increase taxes I say and smarten up border security. An overall 1% tax rate (15% up to 16% etc.,) increase would allow funds to be available.
I am very distressed by the number of illegals sailing south from the Middle and Far East to gatecrash our border security.
Compared to when John Howard was PM , this bloke Rudd is an absolute joke.
The Labor Party need to have a good long think about whether he is the person to lead Australia in a changing dangerous world.
Rudd is now trusting the Indonesians of all people to be our saviour.
In two or three elections or coups they could easily have a mad Islamist at their head.
Labor , to continue for two or three terms need to harden up on our northern security.
gg
Yeah, good one GG. Rudd's really co#*ed up on this one big time. How is going to talk his way out of this one? Probably with his usual lies, spin and empty rhetoric I guess!!!
I think that's right. Just a few nights ago on the 7.30 Report when asked about Ken Henry's pessimistic prediction that the Australian population would in x no. of years reach quite unsustainable (on environmental grounds) levels, Mr Rudd denied that this could be a problem. He states that he's very much in favour of a big country/big population, and that his government was presently planning the appropriate infrastructure for this increased population.Labor doesn't give a stuff...they get lots of votes from the ethnic demographic...they are on a sure winner...
Rudd's plan is to let many, many more people in.....he thinks to himself 'think of all the new labor voters i am letting in!!!!'
Mr Burns, perhaps the difference is that air travellers understand that they need to acquire a Visa to get into Australia, and that these are quite assidulously checked at the airports? Don't you watch 'Border Security'?I never quite understood why they pay some unwashed crim $15k to cram them into a leaky boat to come to Oz when they could go to the airport and land here for $1k, then just disappear into the crowd.
Guess I missed something.
And where do these peasants get $15k from in the first place ?
I think that's right. Just a few nights ago on the 7.30 Report when asked about Ken Henry's pessimistic prediction that the Australian population would in x no. of years reach quite unsustainable (on environmental grounds) levels, Mr Rudd denied that this could be a problem. He states that he's very much in favour of a big country/big population, and that his government was presently planning the appropriate infrastructure for this increased population.?
Well, Mr Rudd, given that some of our capital cities are likely to run out of drinking water if we have another dry summer, and given also the increasing failure of our health system, maybe you could give that infrastructure planning a bit of a hurry up!?
Apart from that, doesnt bother me about big populations. More people, more tax they pay which helps our country.
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Public nudity is a crime.Lets hope that sense prevails and Rudd shows some balls for once.
gg
hello,
yeah top posts Fishbulb,
join your local refugee action group, plenty more should be allowed in
thankyou
doctor robots
Tink, that’s a very naive view. More people means more depressing concrete jungles, more pollution, more traffic congestion, more social tension and conflict, more crime, etc, etc. Our major cities are far too big as it is which is why so many are seeking “sea-changes” and an escape from the rat race.Apart from that, doesn't bother me about big populations. More people, more tax they pay which helps our country.
I think what is getting up most people’s noses is the obvious fact that these people are arrogantly demanding the right to resettle here without going through the proper channels. They have been offered sanctuary in Indonesia but that’s not good enough for them. They are demanding immediate entry to the land of “milk and honey” where people throw money at them and give them beautiful houses so they and all of their relatives can establish their cozy ‘home away from home’. They destroy their documentation so we can’t check their backgrounds or character, so they could be seriously violent thugs and criminals for all we know. Are these really the sort of people you want flooding into our country? Do you really want us to let this lot in without question and then shout to the rest of the world to just “Come on down!”?It seems ridiculous to me that in a country like Australia, on the brink of massive social and economic change - along with the rest of the world, the like of which we've never seen before, is baulking over less than a handful of boat people. Talk about yer xenophobia.
I’m sure most genuine Australians from all generations would be highly offended by that ridiculous statement. Sure, the “better life” seekers would be looking for a quick and easy exit, which is why they came here in the first place, but the ones who really appreciate what we have here would fight to the death to defend it, as has already been demonstrated in previous conflicts.I've made the point already that staying in your country of origin and attempting to change it is better than running from it. But if that's not possible, then yes of course make a run for it. If Australia fell into the hands of a dictator somehow, I'm sure half the population would be in their runabouts heading to New Zealand.
I think what is getting up most people’s noses is the obvious fact that these people are arrogantly demanding the right to resettle here without going through the proper channels. They have been offered sanctuary in Indonesia but that’s not good enough for them. They are demanding immediate entry to the land of “milk and honey” where people throw money at them and give them beautiful houses so they and all of their relatives can establish their cozy ‘home away from home’. They destroy their documentation so we can’t check their backgrounds or character, so they could be seriously violent thugs and criminals for all we know. Are these really the sort of people you want flooding into our country? Do you really want us to let this lot in without question and then shout to the rest of the world to just “Come on down!”?
Tink, that’s a very naive view. More people means more depressing concrete jungles, more pollution, more traffic congestion, more social tension and conflict, more crime, etc, etc. Our major cities are far too big as it is which is why so many are seeking “sea-changes” and an escape from the rat race.
I dont see that as naive at all. Its fact, that more people in a country means economic growth and wealth.
As I said, infrastructure needs to be dealt with
I am a city girl - I like movement.
hello,
yeah top posts Fishbulb,
join your local refugee action group, plenty more should be allowed in
thankyou
doctor robots
You will feel very silly in the decades ahead thinking what you do now.
Africa is currently populated by a billion people who can't feed themselves now without relying on grain imports from western nations, and especially US corn. Estimates put Africa at doubling it's population in just another 50 years. We are told that 'not to worry', because as the third world and developing nations becomes wealthy, they reduce their breeding. Hint?? They aren't going to get wealthy, as they have blown past the carrying capacity of the land they live on. They can't possibly ever be wealthy because there is simply too many.
So the west exports grain and other food to these places, But the more food they get, the more they breed. Mechanising agriculture is another way that populations reduce their growth rates so we should be giving them tractors. But then, since 50% are farmers, by mechanising agriculture, 47% will be unemployed, so that won't work. We should be giving them contraceptives, not food. We should set up free vasectomy clinics. We should pay them to go.
As on the other thread, everyone is talking about wars and genocide and freedom fighters. For goodness sake, the reason they are all fighting and killing each other in these places is because these places have too many people. The land can't sustain this many humans. That should be simple enough to see.
We have to look after ourselves. We can't fix any problem by letting milllions in, as 75 million are being added every year. Africa, and a few other places will be hell on earth in another few decades. Refugees will flood into Europe as they will be able to walk there. Australia and New Zealand will be the only place to live thanks to our ocean border.
Aid is the problem, not the solution. And that is from the mouth of an African. If you want the source, it's easy enough to find.
There's so much misinformation in the rest of this post, I'm overwhelmed as to where to start.
Who are "they"? I mean, who are these aliens that plan on infesting our societies and bringing us to our knees? Why the fear and loathing? Help me out here, I just don't understand this sort of attitude.
Aiding refugees is the problem, not the solution.Aid is the problem, not the solution. And that is from the mouth of an African. If you want the source, it's easy enough to find.
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