Border Security Rudd Weak

[Garpal Gumnut]

I am very distressed by the number of illegals sailing south from the Middle and Far East to gatecrash our border security.

Compared to when John Howard was PM , this bloke Rudd is an absolute joke.

The Labor Party need to have a good long think about whether he is the person to lead Australia in a changing dangerous world.

Rudd is now trusting the Indonesians of all people to be our saviour.

In two or three elections or coups they could easily have a mad Islamist at their head.

Labor , to continue for two or three terms need to harden up on our northern security.

gg

 

[noco]

I am very distressed by the number of illegals sailing south from the Middle and Far East to gatecrash our border security.

Compared to when John Howard was PM , this bloke Rudd is an absolute joke.

The Labor Party need to have a good long think about whether he is the person to lead Australia in a changing dangerous world.

Rudd is now trusting the Indonesians of all people to be our saviour.

In two or three elections or coups they could easily have a mad Islamist at their head.

Labor , to continue for two or three terms need to harden up on our northern security.

gg

Yeah, good one GG. Rudd's really co#*ed up on this one big time. How is going to talk his way out of this one? Probably with his usual lies, spin and empty rhetoric I guess!!!

 

[Fishbulb]

Boat people eh? Well guess what? More illegals arrive by plane here than by boat. A lot more. The only reason the boats make the news is that the media knows it'll stir up the redneck contingent and sell more advertising in the process.

 

[finnsk]

Boat people eh? Well guess what? More illegals arrive by plane here than by boat.

How is this possible you need a visa to get on the plane?

 

[Fishbulb]

How is this possible you need a visa to get on the plane?

There's an article on News dot com which I read a few days ago.

Some guy posted that same article in this thread after my response here, and then for whatever reason moved into the other boat people thread. Check it out here http://www.news.com.au/story/0,27574,26256902-421,00.html

 

[The Once-ler]

Boat people eh? Well guess what? More illegals arrive by plane here than by boat. A lot more. The only reason the boats make the news is that the media knows it'll stir up the redneck contingent and sell more advertising in the process.

Boat people are a threat because it's just the start of a trickle that could turn into a flood. If you opened up our borders there could be millions turn up. Puting them into detention is cruel, but there has to be a deterent. It would be great if all 6.5 billion in the world could live how we do, but it's not possible.

Overpopulation is the greatest threat in the future. We are told that people start having less kids when they achieve a certain level of wealth. But in Africa, and parts of the middle east and asia, they can never achieve this level of wealth as there are too many. In some of these places population growth is actually accelerating.

These masses in developing countries need to sort out their own problems, stay where they are and fix things in their own land rathjer than trying to go elsewhere, and wake up to themselves and start containing their breeding. Land anywhere only has a certain carrying capacity. In most parts of the world that capacity has been well and truely exceeded.

 

[Fishbulb]

Boat people are a threat because it's just the start of a trickle that could turn into a flood. If you opened up our borders there could be millions turn up. Puting them into detention is cruel, but there has to be a deterent. It would be great if all 6.5 billion in the world could live how we do, but it's not possible.

Overpopulation is the greatest threat in the future. We are told that people start having less kids when they achieve a certain level of wealth. But in Africa, and parts of the middle east and asia, they can never achieve this level of wealth as there are too many. In some of these places population growth is actually accelerating.

These masses in developing countries need to sort out their own problems, stay where they are and fix things in their own land rathjer than trying to go elsewhere, and wake up to themselves and start containing their breeding. Land anywhere only has a certain carrying capacity. In most parts of the world that capacity has been well and truely exceeded.

I'm sorry, and no offence, but this is just fear and loathing. I do agree however, that they really should try to sort out the mess in their own country.

Overpopulation is a crock, and on the same level as man made Global Warming, and whatever the case, doesn't belong in a thread about boat people.

 

[The Once-ler]

Overpopulation is a crock, and on the same level as man made Global Warming, and whatever the case, doesn't belong in a thread about boat people.

You will feel very silly in the decades ahead thinking what you do now.

Africa is currently populated by a billion people who can't feed themselves now without relying on grain imports from western nations, and especially US corn. Estimates put Africa at doubling it's population in just another 50 years. We are told that 'not to worry', because as the third world and developing nations becomes wealthy, they reduce their breeding. Hint?? They aren't going to get wealthy, as they have blown past the carrying capacity of the land they live on. They can't possibly ever be wealthy because there is simply too many.

So the west exports grain and other food to these places, But the more food they get, the more they breed. Mechanising agriculture is another way that populations reduce their growth rates so we should be giving them tractors. But then, since 50% are farmers, by mechanising agriculture, 47% will be unemployed, so that won't work. We should be giving them contraceptives, not food. We should set up free vasectomy clinics. We should pay them to go.

As on the other thread, everyone is talking about wars and genocide and freedom fighters. For goodness sake, the reason they are all fighting and killing each other in these places is because these places have too many people. The land can't sustain this many humans. That should be simple enough to see.

We have to look after ourselves. We can't fix any problem by letting milllions in, as 75 million are being added every year. Africa, and a few other places will be hell on earth in another few decades. Refugees will flood into Europe as they will be able to walk there. Australia and New Zealand will be the only place to live thanks to our ocean border.

 

[Julia]

How is this possible you need a visa to get on the plane?

I don't know for sure, but I'd guess they come on a tourist or some other temporary visa, and simply outstay the time allowed per that visa, in the meantime lodging a claim for protection.

 

[Happy]

Not funny if you look from perspective of person waiting for up to 10 years for Housing Commission accommodation and up to 12 years for dental service, when queue jumpers jump queue in Australia too!

 

[awg]

I am very distressed by the number of illegals sailing south from the Middle and Far East to gatecrash our border security.

Compared to when John Howard was PM , this bloke Rudd is an absolute joke.

The Labor Party need to have a good long think about whether he is the person to lead Australia in a changing dangerous world.

Rudd is now trusting the Indonesians of all people to be our saviour.

In two or three elections or coups they could easily have a mad Islamist at their head.

Labor , to continue for two or three terms need to harden up on our northern security.

gg

If he was being hypothetically pragmatic,( to use a Ruddist phrase),
might it not work out cheaper and more efficient to just pay the Indonesians, ( insofar as possible) to intercept as many as they can?

That would act as a dis-incentive, and probably be cheaper, on a per capita basis, to the Aust taxpayer.

I make no comment about the ethical questions, and obviously no one wants to come out and say it, but if any solution that was considered to be politically more popular, I'm sure it would be considered.

I also think that if a refugee makes it to Oz from Afganistan for instance, seems they would probably meet the UN refugee status, as it is active war zone, so that makes it very hard to know what to do, from a political perspective, if you want to limit as far as possible increased refugees.

As evidenced by the Coalitions lack of any stated plan.

 

[noco]

Wilson Tuckey may be a bit eccentric at times, but he is spot on when he says perhaps one in a 100 just maybe a terrorist who has infiltrated with illegal immigrants.

I ask the question, how did those convicted terrorists who tried to blow up and kill army personal at the Hollingsworth Army Camp get into Australia. WHAT HAS GONE WRONG WITH OUR SECURITY?

I ask Mr. Rudd, please explain how they entered Australia.

 

[WinnieBlues]

Wilson Tuckey may be a bit eccentric at times, but he is spot on when he says perhaps one in a 100 just maybe a terrorist who has infiltrated with illegal immigrants.

I ask the question, how did those convicted terrorists who tried to blow up and kill army personal at the Hollingsworth Army Camp get into Australia. WHAT HAS GONE WRONG WITH OUR SECURITY?

I ask Mr. Rudd, please explain how they entered Australia.

Labor doesn't give a stuff...they get lots of votes from the ethnic demographic...they are on a sure winner...

Rudd's plan is to let many, many more people in.....he thinks to himself 'think of all the new labor voters i am letting in!!!!'

He is a joke and if he stays in power for too long will destroy this country from the inside out

 

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[boofhead]

I don't want to attack anyone but what sources of information are people using? It seems to be headline responses.

I'm not sure why people on boats are targetted. Why not target them all?

I'm sure terrorists could easily come in on aircraft too. Marginalisation doesn't help. It encourages some people to more extreme methods of retribution.

 

[Chris45]

might it not work out cheaper and more efficient to just pay the Indonesians, (insofar as possible) to intercept as many as they can?

According to http://www.indo.ausaid.gov.au/

Through AusAID, the Australian Government's overseas aid program in Indonesia will provide an estimated A$452 million (IDR 3.7 trillion) in Official Development Assistance (ODA) in 2009-10.

This assistance expands Australia's support in key sectors such as education, health, infrastructure, disaster management and water and sanitation. Australia is on track to meet its commitment to provide A$2.5 billion in development assistance to Indonesia over five years to 2012-13.

Indonesia is the largest single recipient of Australian development assistance.

Isn't it about time we started asking for something from them in return without having to pay them even more money?

 

[Hyperion]

Wilson Tuckey may be a bit eccentric at times, but he is spot on when he says perhaps one in a 100 just maybe a terrorist who has infiltrated with illegal immigrants.

I ask the question, how did those convicted terrorists who tried to blow up and kill army personal at the Hollingsworth Army Camp get into Australia. WHAT HAS GONE WRONG WITH OUR SECURITY?

I ask Mr. Rudd, please explain how they entered Australia.

Do you mean Holsworthy Army base??

I believe all 4 men were Australian citizens... they might have been born in Australia...

Also, they haven't been convicted of anything. They have simply been ordered to stand trial and I believe they are all pleading not guilty.

 

[awg]

According to http://www.indo.ausaid.gov.au/


Isn't it about time we started asking for something from them in return without having to pay them even more money?

good point, I didnt realise it was so much.

probably some serious arm-twisting going on, diplomatically

 

[MrBurns]

I never quite understood why they pay some unwashed crim $15k to cram them into a leaky boat to come to Oz when they could go to the airport and land here for $1k, then just disappear into the crowd.

Guess I missed something.

And where do these peasants get $15k from in the first place ?

 

[noirua]

I am very distressed by the number of illegals sailing south from the Middle and Far East to gatecrash our border security.

Compared to when John Howard was PM , this bloke Rudd is an absolute joke.

The Labor Party need to have a good long think about whether he is the person to lead Australia in a changing dangerous world.

Rudd is now trusting the Indonesians of all people to be our saviour.

In two or three elections or coups they could easily have a mad Islamist at their head.

Labor , to continue for two or three terms need to harden up on our northern security.

gg

Increase taxes I say and smarten up border security. An overall 1% tax rate (15% up to 16% etc.,) increase would allow funds to be available.