Border Security Rudd Weak

[boofhead]

I never quite understood why they pay some unwashed crim $15k to cram them into a leaky boat to come to Oz when they could go to the airport and land here for $1k, then just disappear into the crowd.

Guess I missed something.

And where do these peasants get $15k from in the first place ?

Some get loans from the local crime gangs and have family members as collateral that will be staying behind.

 

[doctorj]

Increase taxes I say and smarten up border security. An overall 1% tax rate (15% up to 16% etc.,) increase would allow funds to be available.

Isn't Australia already one of the highest taxed places going around?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I am very distressed by the number of illegals sailing south from the Middle and Far East to gatecrash our border security.

Compared to when John Howard was PM , this bloke Rudd is an absolute joke.

The Labor Party need to have a good long think about whether he is the person to lead Australia in a changing dangerous world.

Rudd is now trusting the Indonesians of all people to be our saviour.

In two or three elections or coups they could easily have a mad Islamist at their head.

Labor , to continue for two or three terms need to harden up on our northern security.

gg

Yeah, good one GG. Rudd's really co#*ed up on this one big time. How is going to talk his way out of this one? Probably with his usual lies, spin and empty rhetoric I guess!!!

Thanks noco, and that is the point of the thread.

Rudd is playing politics, trying to play both sides of the fence.

There is nothing to stop every man jack between here and bloody Baghdad from hopping into a boat and floating down to Christmas Is.

It is not inconceivable that many Indonesians might not want to chance their luck in a beanbag or basin, and just come on in.

At least at the airports there is proper screening, they can be turned about or in the worst case of thousands of them coming via air, the airports can be closed.

These economic migrants need to be stopped from just sailing in to our territorial waters. A thousand this year, ten thousand the next and then one hundred thousand, the year after.

Who knows?

gg

 

[Julia]

Labor doesn't give a stuff...they get lots of votes from the ethnic demographic...they are on a sure winner...

Rudd's plan is to let many, many more people in.....he thinks to himself 'think of all the new labor voters i am letting in!!!!'

I think that's right. Just a few nights ago on the 7.30 Report when asked about Ken Henry's pessimistic prediction that the Australian population would in x no. of years reach quite unsustainable (on environmental grounds) levels, Mr Rudd denied that this could be a problem. He states that he's very much in favour of a big country/big population, and that his government was presently planning the appropriate infrastructure for this increased population.
Well, Mr Rudd, given that some of our capital cities are likely to run out of drinking water if we have another dry summer, and given also the increasing failure of our health system, maybe you could give that infrastructure planning a bit of a hurry up!

To me it sounded just like more of Rudd's search for increased personal aggrandisement: i.e. he likes the notion of ruling over more people, especially if his plan to gradually take power from the States becomes a reality. Given voter dissatisfaction with the State governments, it shouldn't be too difficult for him to implement this part of his strategy.

I never quite understood why they pay some unwashed crim $15k to cram them into a leaky boat to come to Oz when they could go to the airport and land here for $1k, then just disappear into the crowd.

Guess I missed something.

And where do these peasants get $15k from in the first place ?

Mr Burns, perhaps the difference is that air travellers understand that they need to acquire a Visa to get into Australia, and that these are quite assidulously checked at the airports? Don't you watch 'Border Security'?

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

A mate in the Australian embassy in Jakarta tells me that everyone from Rudd down to the lowest functionary in DFAT is running about like headless chooks at present.

The Indonesians are going to play very hard ball with the Sri Lankan illegal migrants on one of our ships, the Oceanic Viking.

Lets hope that sense prevails and Rudd shows some balls for once.

gg

 

[Tink]

I think that's right. Just a few nights ago on the 7.30 Report when asked about Ken Henry's pessimistic prediction that the Australian population would in x no. of years reach quite unsustainable (on environmental grounds) levels, Mr Rudd denied that this could be a problem. He states that he's very much in favour of a big country/big population, and that his government was presently planning the appropriate infrastructure for this increased population.?
Well, Mr Rudd, given that some of our capital cities are likely to run out of drinking water if we have another dry summer, and given also the increasing failure of our health system, maybe you could give that infrastructure planning a bit of a hurry up!?

I agree Julia, he has to get things moving regarding infrastructure, but our last government did nothing about it either, so they are as bad as each other.

Apart from that, doesnt bother me about big populations. More people, more tax they pay which helps our country.

[/QUOTE]To me it sounded just like more of Rudd's search for increased personal aggrandisement: i.e. he likes the notion of ruling over more people, especially if his plan to gradually take power from the States becomes a reality. Given voter dissatisfaction with the State governments, it shouldn't be too difficult for him to implement this part of his strategy.?[/QUOTE]

I think state governments are a waste of money. If they can implement it, I would be all for it.
One set of rules across the board.

 

[The Once-ler]

Apart from that, doesnt bother me about big populations. More people, more tax they pay which helps our country.

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I had no idea that big populations were good for economic wealth.

Just imagine then how well things must be in Indonesia 240 mil, Pakistan 170 mil, Bangladesh 160 mil, and Ethiopia 85 mil? Fill the place up then.

 

[dbcok]

Lets hope that sense prevails and Rudd shows some balls for once.

gg[/QUOTE]

 

[dbcok]

Lets hope that sense prevails and Rudd shows some balls for once.

gg[/QUOTE]

I don't think that Australia is ready for that-once would be once too often!

 

[Wysiwyg]

Lets hope that sense prevails and Rudd shows some balls for once.

gg

Public nudity is a crime.

 

[Fishbulb]

hello,

yeah top posts Fishbulb,

join your local refugee action group, plenty more should be allowed in

thankyou
doctor robots

My sarcasm detector might be malfunctioning, because I can't tell if you're being sarcastic. So, for the moment, I'll assume that you're not

So thanks.

It seems ridiculous to me that in a country like Australia, on the brink of massive social and economic change - along with the rest of the world, the like of which we've never seen before, is baulking over less than a handful of boat people. Talk about yer xenophobia.

I've made the point already that staying in your country of origin and attempting to change it is better than running from it. But if that's not possible, then yes of course make a run for it. If Australia fell into the hands of a dictator somehow, I'm sure half the population would be in their runabouts heading to New Zealand.

Complaining or being "distressed" about something, will get you nowhere. And on a forum like this, it just means that there's more of you that can "rabble rabble rabble" about it together. Get off yer arses and make a change if you really feel that something's a bad thing. Go into politics and stand as an independant - I'm sure half of you could've easily stood as a candidate for One Nation - Or here's an idea; get a clue as to what's going on. Boat people V Plane people; guess who's got the greater numbers? If you're going to whinge about something, wouldn't it be better to get the facts, and then act accordingly? Of course it would, but well, you know......there's beer in the fridge and we don't want to miss the footy. Bazz is comin' over and we're firin' up the barbie. Nah....can't be bothered, I'll just make a jackass out of myself on a forum.

 

[Chris45]

Apart from that, doesn't bother me about big populations. More people, more tax they pay which helps our country.

Tink, that’s a very naive view. More people means more depressing concrete jungles, more pollution, more traffic congestion, more social tension and conflict, more crime, etc, etc. Our major cities are far too big as it is which is why so many are seeking “sea-changes” and an escape from the rat race.

 

[Chris45]

It seems ridiculous to me that in a country like Australia, on the brink of massive social and economic change - along with the rest of the world, the like of which we've never seen before, is baulking over less than a handful of boat people. Talk about yer xenophobia.

I think what is getting up most people’s noses is the obvious fact that these people are arrogantly demanding the right to resettle here without going through the proper channels. They have been offered sanctuary in Indonesia but that’s not good enough for them. They are demanding immediate entry to the land of “milk and honey” where people throw money at them and give them beautiful houses so they and all of their relatives can establish their cozy ‘home away from home’. They destroy their documentation so we can’t check their backgrounds or character, so they could be seriously violent thugs and criminals for all we know. Are these really the sort of people you want flooding into our country? Do you really want us to let this lot in without question and then shout to the rest of the world to just “Come on down!”?

I've made the point already that staying in your country of origin and attempting to change it is better than running from it. But if that's not possible, then yes of course make a run for it. If Australia fell into the hands of a dictator somehow, I'm sure half the population would be in their runabouts heading to New Zealand.

I’m sure most genuine Australians from all generations would be highly offended by that ridiculous statement. Sure, the “better life” seekers would be looking for a quick and easy exit, which is why they came here in the first place, but the ones who really appreciate what we have here would fight to the death to defend it, as has already been demonstrated in previous conflicts.

 

[Garpal Gumnut]

I think what is getting up most people’s noses is the obvious fact that these people are arrogantly demanding the right to resettle here without going through the proper channels. They have been offered sanctuary in Indonesia but that’s not good enough for them. They are demanding immediate entry to the land of “milk and honey” where people throw money at them and give them beautiful houses so they and all of their relatives can establish their cozy ‘home away from home’. They destroy their documentation so we can’t check their backgrounds or character, so they could be seriously violent thugs and criminals for all we know. Are these really the sort of people you want flooding into our country? Do you really want us to let this lot in without question and then shout to the rest of the world to just “Come on down!”?

That Chris, is the way most Australians feel about these waves of boats encouraged by Rudd's slack attention to the security of our nation.

It wasn't that long ago that the Japs planned an invasion of Australia and the ancestors of these muppets who are welcoming these boats had a plan.

It was called the "Brisbane Line"

Protect the south, and let anywhere north of Brisbane go to the Japs.

Well let me tell you Mr.Rudd, do not mess with Queenslanders, NT or WA's security, or you will be tossed out at the next election.

gg

 

[Tink]

Tink, that’s a very naive view. More people means more depressing concrete jungles, more pollution, more traffic congestion, more social tension and conflict, more crime, etc, etc. Our major cities are far too big as it is which is why so many are seeking “sea-changes” and an escape from the rat race.

I dont see that as naive at all. Its fact, that more people in a country means economic growth and wealth.

As I said, infrastructure needs to be dealt with

I am a city girl - I like movement.

 

[Wysiwyg]

I dont see that as naive at all. Its fact, that more people in a country means economic growth and wealth.

As I said, infrastructure needs to be dealt with

I am a city girl - I like movement.

Here is a brief story about "boat people" from England. Of course, you have every right to an opinion no matter how it is arrived at.

National Geographic; hand typed passage:

"In 1802, King Island's first surveyor, Lieutenant John Murray, looked over a wilderness with thousands of elephant seals lolling on beaches and forest smothering the land, and predicted the future. "Thus we take leave of this large and fine island where the benevolent hand of providence has fixed the chief necessities of life and the means to procure some of it's luxuries," he wrote with remarkable foresight about an island that wouldn't be settled for another 86 years.
Today the elephant seals are gone - hunted to extinction in just three years - and so is most of the forest,"

 

[Happy]

hello,

yeah top posts Fishbulb,

join your local refugee action group, plenty more should be allowed in

thankyou
doctor robots

Good idea, allow as many in to the point that it will be much better at the place they are coming from!

Then the wave will go somewhere else.

 

[Fishbulb]

You will feel very silly in the decades ahead thinking what you do now.

Africa is currently populated by a billion people who can't feed themselves now without relying on grain imports from western nations, and especially US corn. Estimates put Africa at doubling it's population in just another 50 years. We are told that 'not to worry', because as the third world and developing nations becomes wealthy, they reduce their breeding. Hint?? They aren't going to get wealthy, as they have blown past the carrying capacity of the land they live on. They can't possibly ever be wealthy because there is simply too many.

So the west exports grain and other food to these places, But the more food they get, the more they breed. Mechanising agriculture is another way that populations reduce their growth rates so we should be giving them tractors. But then, since 50% are farmers, by mechanising agriculture, 47% will be unemployed, so that won't work. We should be giving them contraceptives, not food. We should set up free vasectomy clinics. We should pay them to go.

As on the other thread, everyone is talking about wars and genocide and freedom fighters. For goodness sake, the reason they are all fighting and killing each other in these places is because these places have too many people. The land can't sustain this many humans. That should be simple enough to see.

We have to look after ourselves. We can't fix any problem by letting milllions in, as 75 million are being added every year. Africa, and a few other places will be hell on earth in another few decades. Refugees will flood into Europe as they will be able to walk there. Australia and New Zealand will be the only place to live thanks to our ocean border.

Aid is the problem, not the solution. And that is from the mouth of an African. If you want the source, it's easy enough to find.

There's so much misinformation in the rest of this post, I'm overwhelmed as to where to start.

Who are "they"? I mean, who are these aliens that plan on infesting our societies and bringing us to our knees? Why the fear and loathing? Help me out here, I just don't understand this sort of attitude.

 

[Happy]

Aid is the problem, not the solution. And that is from the mouth of an African. If you want the source, it's easy enough to find.

There's so much misinformation in the rest of this post, I'm overwhelmed as to where to start.

Who are "they"? I mean, who are these aliens that plan on infesting our societies and bringing us to our knees? Why the fear and loathing? Help me out here, I just don't understand this sort of attitude.

Heard about water problems in Australia or waiting list in hospitals, almost continuous Red Allerts in some Emergency Departments, disintegrating roads, ...?

Why we have to fix everybody elses problems.

Every bus should only take so many passengers.

I know, we have it too good compared to those who have nothing.

But lets not forget that a lot of poor countries have beyond imagination rich elite that parasites their countries.

 

[Chris45]

Aid is the problem, not the solution. And that is from the mouth of an African. If you want the source, it's easy enough to find.

Aiding refugees is the problem, not the solution.

If these people are such valuable assets, surely the best place for them is back in their home countries where they can work toward building better societies for their own people.