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BBI - Babcock & Brown Infrastructure


You will find that life companies like regulated infrastructure investments because of the steady and reasonably predictable cashflows which can be matched against policy liabilities. These are such because gas, power, water etc are fundamental necesssities and defensive in nature. You pay for the right to be "connected", with an additional charge based upon usage.


"I think cheap credit and mispricing of risk is one and the same issue and certainly played a massive part in where we are today. At it’s most basic, credit is priced at a base rate such as LIBOR, plus a margin that is derived based on the ‘risk’ the loan represents. This is off topic – feel free to start another thread on this."

We can discuss this until the cows come home, but agreed this is off topic.

Is this really fair? Sure, the regulated asset may have an inflation component built into the agreed pricing, but what if people don’t use it? For example, people may take a slower route to the airport or take public transport instead of paying for the use of a toll way. Then there is the issue that you don’t own a share of the asset, but a share in a company or trust that owns/administers an asset.

Agreed that this applies to infrastructure assets where usage etc is discretionary, such as a toll road.

However the bulk of BBIs assets are of a non-discretionary nature, ie DBCT, NGPL, gas and power. The pricing for these assets is set by economic regulators which recognise a pricing structure which takes account of all capital and revenue items and allows for a profit margin over the life of the asset. The issue is that a key component of the consumer price is non-discretionary and regulated by the economic regulator. In the UK electricty and gas is regulated by Ofgem, water by Ofwat.

For me, the biggest issue with any company that is highly levered right now is their ability to roll the debt. Banks have ever shrinking capital to employ in making loans (each loan they retain risk on ‘consumes’ some of their capital) so they’re being forced to delever. A declining pool of capital means banks can and are being more selective in what they finance. A highly leveraged infrastructure project with optimistic revenue forecasts may not be on top of the pile. Even if these projects can access capital, it will be relatively more costly. Ultimately, more expensive capital will impact the economies of more marginal projects.


I think that your comments do not reflect the following applicable to BBI:
a) A regulated infrastructure asset cannot be compared with an entity where shareholders take the full benefits of risk/reward. A normal company can set its own prices, whilst those of a regulated infrastructure business cannot.
b) With vital infrastructure assets the operating business itself is normally "ring fenced", ie protected. A bank cannot just take control of and shut down a necessary service such as gas in the same way it can an ordinary business, this again is an attribute of the nature of the service provided and the regulatory environment.
c) Economic regulators take account of the costs, including the cost of capital in setting pricing structures.
d) The declining pool of capital argument is applicable amongst normal companies competing for that capital. It is not valid when an infrastructure asset is subject to a regulatory environment where effectively the capital risk is ultimately effectively subject to supervision and in some cases guarantee by an economic regulator. This obviously varies depending upon the jurisdiction (ie UK, US, Australia & NZ -state and federal as applicable).

Cheers
 
1. Most of the fall in net assets are decreases in the value of derivative instruments ($453m) and depreciation ($86m) and

2. Deferred tax liabilities are one-off. They relate to acquisitions made in FY08.

BB. Thanks for pursuing this. It has allayed my concern on this item. Jonkey, thank you for your explanation.
 

It actually reflects a recent sale of 42,554,665 BBI on 24/3/09 for $0.041. Although the overall holding reflects an increase, from 121,378,441 (8.24%) to 141,208.025 (5.94%) since the previous notice, if you look at the detail you will see that the previous notice was made on 11/8/06, nearly 3 years ago. Within that period there were many purchases and sales made and these are listed under "3. Changes in relevant interests". Prior to the 24/3/09 sale of 42.5+M, the previous transaction was made 11 months ago on 22/4/08.

So since we are only concerned with recent transactions, it is a sale of 42.5+M.

I assume the reason there is a % decrease in ownership (8.24% to 5.94%) over the 3 year period, even though the quantity owned increased, is because there were additional shares issued in that period, so the current figure is a smaller % of the current number of shares on issue, compared to the previous figure as a % of the previous number on issue.

What I am not sure of is whether this sale is a reduction of BNB (BBIPL's) own holding in BBI or someone else's, as there are a few names involved with the transaction: BNB (BBIPL), ANZ Nominees, AGSO Property P/L and Deutsche Bank AG.
 
It actually reflects a recent sale of 42,554,665 BBI on 24/3/09 for $0.041. Although the overall holding reflects an increase, from 121,378,441 (8.24%) to 141,208.025 (5.94%) since the previous notice,

This is in fact a reduction in BNB's holding, not the other companies that I mentioned.

I've been trying to find BNB's holding in BBI and several sources have indicated that it is 8.24%, which is the first of the two % figures above. They were obviously working off the previous report.

Ignore the previous figure which is now 3 years old, this is saying that BNB has sold down its holding in BBI from 183,762,690 just prior to 24/3, to 141,208,025 by 24/3. So just prior to 24/3, BNB held 7.73% of BBI and now just holds 5.94%.

The figure tallies. If 141,208,025 is 5.94% of issued stapled securieties, then that would imply 100% is 2,377,239,478. According to the investor pack, BBI had 2,375,741,000 shares on issue on 31/12/08.

Looking at it another way, of the 183,762,690 shares BNB held in BBI just prior to 24/3, they have sold down 23% of these.
 
We have an interesting situation where there are two forced volume sellers yet the price is holding up. To me, that indicates there is very solid buying pressure for BBI and once the sellers are done, the buyers will find it harder to pick up stock at these low prices. For buyers, it is a great opportunity right now to pick up stock cheap.
I bought BEPPA again today. Trying to value BEPPA is difficult. So long as BBI survive, BEPPA should technically trade at face value less a discount for the poor return of 115 points over bank bill. If BEPPA were to reset tomorrow, the margin would more likely be 500 basis points more than bank bill. BEPPA is a very cheap form of financing for BBI.
So what's a fair discount to face value of $1 for BEPPA? Well it depends on whether you think BBI will survive.
I think it's an emphatic YES for BBI's survival.
In that case a fair discount to face value (in my opinion) would be 40c in the dollar given the length of time to maturity and the relatively poor interest rate payable.
So, if BBI sell DBCT and pay off the bulk of corporate debt, then sell PD Ports and pay out the NZ bonds, SPARCS and any left over corporate debt, BEPPA has an intrinsic value of 60c. This is derived by applying a 40% discount to face value. That's more than reasonable. What's been happening in the market is that the forced sellers of BBI are also dumping BEPPA, without regard to fundamental value. They have a need to be out full stop and long term value plays no part in the decision to liquidate BEPPA. The market is dysfunctional and very inefficient due to factors mentioned. For buyers, that represents an opportunity. For those who think BBI is finished/kaput, it would be wise to avoid both BBI and BEPPA.
 
Banksa,

Are these millions of BBI shares being sold off market? I do not see the millions of units popping up in the buy/sell depth daily. Same with BEPPA.

Secondly you mentioned "forced sellers" are you referring to those with margin loans or the creditors of BNB? I do not quite understand how the voluntary administration of BBI operates or how it must go about its business but it leads me to think of these sales in either one or two ways.

1) BNB's administrators MUST sell all their holdings in BBI, BBW etc to get some money back to pay debt.
OR
2) BNB's administrators do not see any future for BBI or BEPPA hence do not see any point in keeping it. (I'm sure they have some good analysts telling them what to do)

Your thoughts would be much appreciated. I continue to hold BBI and BEPPA, but the two above points are playing on my mind.
 
With these forced sellers (assuming they are BNB/BB international) what time period would they normally look to sell their stake over?

If there stake is between 5 and 8% would it be realistic to expect a 3 month period? or would they look to get out quicker?
 
Looks like dividends are being rolled again. I suppose this is nothing unexpected given the current climate.
I just wish someone could come up with some figures on how much debt bbi has been able to wipe off since dividends were put on hold.
 
Viva - I cannot see dividends happening again until assets are sold.

Just as an aside, does anybody have an exact figure of unpaid interest on BEPPA? As many decimal places as you have please!

EDIT: SP seems strong today... weird. Waiting for the coming crash, this rally has gotten way ahead of itself (market-wide).
 
Haven't really been watching it, but I just looked.

/cue Mits dancing around Viva singing 'I told you so'

I'd be looking to take a profit on that at 20c myself, but that's me and my opinion, and does not constitute financial advice to you.

You've got some losses this financial year I am led to believe, so tax shouldn't be too much of an issue.....
 
I have a sell order at 19c, so capital plus my profit will be going straight into BEPPA. Just wondering WHEN is the right time to jump on BEPPA with this cash as I want as much bang for my buck as possible.

I'm not a financial advisor either, but ...... MA MUMMA TOLD ME MY MAGIC LEGS COULD TAKE ME ANYWHERE!!!!
 
Interesting how strong the price has been, obviously the deferred Div on BEPPA is expected. Could just be traders though, instead of those holding for long term.
 
Interesting how strong the price has been, obviously the deferred Div on BEPPA is expected. Could just be traders though, instead of those holding for long term.

I tend to think if the market dips and BEPPA sees a price of <6.5 cents, I think there will be a fairly serious selldown by the traders.

I will be buying then. :
 
Viva, did your HFA sell? I think some trades have gone through at 19c in the last 10 mins or so...

If so, you'd be cheering I suspect.

Oh, looks like they are dropping back a bit now too.
 
No mine didn't sell, it touched 19 but i was too far back in the queue. I suspect they will rally before the close as ppl might be expecting them to go up again tomorrow. Frankly I don't have the nerve, and need money for another batch of beppa. FINGERS CROSSED.

Reading the latest news from the G20, they are talking of whole nations collapsing due to the GFC. The markets sure are not sharing that sentiment.
What is their motivation behind all this talk of doom and gloom?
 

I read that news from the G20 about whole nations failing. It seems to me that its just another talk fest and the markets have come to a realisation that the governments have NFI what is going on, so they may as well rally and make some money from trading while they can.

It will hit the fan again soon (GM and Chrysler going under could be the trigger)
 
That is one thing I cannot get my head around with this GFC.
GMC and Chrysler collapsing? Surely they were making BILLIONS prior to the GFC....what happened to the profits? Did they evaporate? Disappear?
Something tells me a lot of these "institutions" are making things look worse than what they are so they can all get some of this free money being printed out.
I refuse to believe company directors could be so stupid and incompetent that things could go full 360 in the scope of 5 months.

But I agree with you, I think we need to see some sort of correction following all these GREEN days.
 

My understanding of GM and Chrysler is that they have had it "tough" (not sure if thats the right word for the situation) for a while. As a large number of their factories are in America they face higher costs of business (as opposed to Asian countries). In the years prior to the GFC they still managed to do ok, because everyone was living the "dream" and spending money left, right and centre (most of it on credit).

Some problems started emerging when petrol prices rocketed and people started seeking out smaller more efficient cars (again usually from Asia). American car makers have traditionally made larger, family cars, trucks, 4wds, etc. They then had to play catch up by making cars that consumers wanted. Then the GFC hit and they could no longer rely on the buyers who were only buying because of cheap credit.

Eventually it was hard to get car financing which meant less new cars were sold, they started restructing and laying off workers but because of their size it takes them too long and the cost of doing so is also high.

Chyslers now have 30 days to merge with Fiat and GM 60 days to present a restructure plan otherwise the gov my stop propping them up and will move towards an "orderly" bankruptcy.
 
That still doesn't account for where all the money went from boom times. Petrol prices in the US were still cheap compared to the rest of the world.

Like i said, i think it's a bit of ...cry poor and get free $$$$$
 
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