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Barack Obama!

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Just bringing those odds up to date ....

Best odds:-
The Democratic VP candidate is anyone's guess.
Hillary Clinton back to favourite at 4/1
John Edwards now 5/1 etc


When asked about his criteria for choosing a vice president:


17 potential VP's are in the running.

Hillary has been winning the working class votes...
McCain dotes on Obama's lack of military experience...

Webb seems to provide for these deficiences:

Sen. James Webb (Va.) is another potential prospect, a decorated Marine and former Republican with strong working-class support in his GOP-leaning state.

But then he has to appease the female-in-power issue:

Some Obama insiders think he will consider a number of female candidates, including Kansas Gov. Kathleen Sebelius, Arizona Gov. Janet Napolitano and Sen. Claire McCaskill (Mo.). All three endorsed Obama early in his campaign.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/05/22/AR2008052204145.html?nav=hcmodule

BTW... Obama: 1969 (57 delegates to go)
........... Hillary: 1779 (247 to go)
 
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McCain dotes on Obama's lack of military experience...

Webb seems to provide for these deficiences
yep that makes sense...
then again Hillary saw active service in Bosnia didn't she? - had to run for her life across the tarmac etc

ahh hang on... she clarifies that she flew in on a plane that was designed to take off quickly ...
near enough I guess

Hillary Clinton .. About Her Bosnia Trip
 

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McCain will win.

Seems Doris has a crush, Michelle better watch out!!

America is not ready to put an inexperienced, far left man in the white house. Has nothing to do with race, but extreme left policies that he would implement would completely bankrupt America.

Landslide ahead for McCain. McGovern....oops Obama doesn't have a chance.

McCain will win all the current red states, plus Michigan, Pennsylvania, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and New Hampshire.
 
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There is sound reasoning for Obama attracting the college educated. They have learned to think!

The job is for a leader of the people who vote.
No-one can deny that GWB has been a puppet of the oil companies and lobbyists.

Obama's vast experience in leadership efficacy, as a community organizer, is reflected in his entire campaign. He has attracted a team of varied brilliance and experience in all facets of government tiers. He has attracted people who share his values and ideals and they are the ones he represents and will be answerable to. Sure he is liberal and this is a much-needed breath of fresh air in comparison to the stench of the GOP's erroneous administration.

Please explain (to use an Aussie 'Hansen' vernacular). How would Obama's policies facilitate GWB's momentum towards bankruptcy? Infrastructure, in all states, has been neglected since Clinton left office and urgently needs the services of the unemployed who will stimulate the economy with their remunerations.

The US is presently mass importing small cars to offset the $4 a gallon for gas (double the cost when I was in the states early last year). General Motors is thus losing customers despite working on fuel efficient and hybrid cars and needs government incentives which have been non-existent thanks to the greed of the oil companies GWB succumbs to.

Schools have been dumbed-down for years. Incentives for education are a panacea for developing any economy. The man in the street is being awakened to what he wants and invigorated to have a go. This attitude will permeate and rehabilitate the economy.


http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5i1RD9k-YXI0_Su-B9v80PUh0acug

McCain is painting Obama as naive, weak and dangerous, arguing he is an opportunist whose poetic rhetoric masks inexperience and no record to back up his promise to drain US politics of partisan bile.

Naive to think that talking with people and listening to their qualms will gather information to repudiate their trepidations about their futures.
...Kenya ...the grassroots identification and adulation that has projected him.

Weak as he listens to those who are knowledgeable in their own areas of expertise instead of disregarding their qualms or solutions and implementing the pay-backs of the lobbyists and special interest groups that, historically, have perpetually bought their puppet's office.

Dangerous because the bully wants supreme power and the victim to acquiesce to their demands. We will give you aid but you will give us this in return. Obama wants win-win solutions. ...Kenya. How weak is that!

"For a young man with very little experience, he has done very well," McCain sarcastically told supporters in Florida last week.

Stressing Obama's inexperience is also a veiled way for McCain to defuse the age question -- turning 72 in January.

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit. Nasty.

Obama has experience where it counts.

A leader coordinates and contributes judgment and does not need to be a master of all trades.

But they do need to collaborate and conciliate and arbitrate with intelligence and fairness.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7418941.stm


Incredible.
 
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Slowly slowly, softly softly, catchy catchy, monkey monkey (PNG saying)

Obama picks up 4 delegates

2 hours ago


http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5hY742M_s1ttD_ycf2Zusn1o1fD3QD90SDTLO1
 
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McCain dotes on Obama's lack of military experience...
Webb seems to provide for these deficiences:

gee doris,
the punters must be reading your opinion here - and the bookies trying to keep up.
Webb suddenly jumped to second favourite for VP

http://www.easyodds.com/compareodds/specials/Politics/m/115075-234-3.html

btw, here's Olbermann on Hillary's speculation that she might pick up the Democratic nomination if she waits around - after all Robert Kennedy was assassinated etc

insensitive, heartless, "and certainly to invoke it 3 days after the awful diagnosis and heartbreaking prognosis for Senator Ted Kennedy. ... and both actions open a door wide into the soul of someone who seeks the highest office of this country, and through that door shows something not only troubling but frightening - and politically explicable...

"what Senator do you suppose would happen if you withdrew from the campaign, and then Sen Obama formally became the presumptive nominee, and then suddenly left the scene? ... it doesn't even have to be the dark curse upon the land you implied today senator, or even an issue of health, ...

"what would happen then senator, you are not allowed back in to the race??
your delegates and your support vanish??
the Democrats don't run ANYOBODY for president??

"what happens of course.... if someone has to withdraw - you simply get another (nominee) etc "

Summary - he's pretty offended by her (repeated) references to Bobby Kennedy's assassination.

Coutdown: Special Comment May 23, 2008 Part 1

Keith's Special Comment on Hillary's assassination remark
 

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oh boy - and this one, where he really calls a spade a spade

(PS I agree with him)

Coutdown: Special Comment May 23, 2008 Part 2

"anyone who's just sticking around in case the other guy might get shot has no business etc "
 
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Remarks of Senator Barack Obama
Wesleyan University Commencement
Sunday, May 25th, 2008
Middletown, CT

As Prepared for Delivery:

http://wesleying.blogspot.com/2008/05/obamas-speech-as-prepared.html


Barack is a master of imagery/metaphors:


Humour to appease all factions:


Barack's words are like brush strokes unifying life's reality onto canvas...


Inspiring and motivating unified action...


Wisdom for these students graduating:



And homage paid:


Worth a read...
 
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This exercise in futility has Obama as a shoe-in; but Europe doesn't count in US elections does it?

Obama disciples will enjoy however.

 
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Rupert Murdoch on Obama

Conservative media mogul and Fox News Corp founder Rupert Murdoch talking about Obama, McCain and the elections

PS You'd have to assume that this next one is pretty accurate on Murdoch and his tactics Murdoch's Fox News has OReilly for instance.

Hell Has Frozen Over - Rupert Murdoch Supports Obama
 
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Michigan should be sorted this weekend...

http://www.mlive.com/elections/index.ssf/2008/05/obama_clinton_dispute_over_mic.html


If the 40% who voted for 'uncommitted' could be bothered voting - that would appear to be a protest vote of some sort, yes?


Tuesday's contests in Montana and South Dakota end what has been one of closest presidential contests in Democratic history.

re previous post but one...
Can't help Obama's campaign though....ant to say "can't hurt... ":2twocents doh.
 
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Which only leaves good old Florida ..

http://www.reuters.com/article/bondsNews/idUSN2426696820080525


Obama has had to be / will have to be super careful not to offend any of the Clintophiles.

As for the VP question ...
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/u...em&ex=1212379200&en=393fad3614090350&ei=5087



o boy - they 've got a long way to go before this little tiff is healed - good luck Barack - you'll need it
 
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just a song ok?
Why Can't We Be Friends?

Lovitt!

Taped in October last year:

Some cool moves!



Woman: No!
Barack: Yes
Woman: No!
Barack: Yes
Woman: Oh my God!
Barack: Yes

Love his quip about 'public housing'!
 
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Not happy!
The only resolution is... yes, let them have a punitive half vote... but a new ballot is essential for fairness!
What about those who did not turn out because it had been decided by the DNC that they would not count?
... those who 'did the right thing' and accepted the ruling and did not vote?

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a4VPMVZ0uRYE&refer=home

Obama's diplomacy comes to the fore again:


2,118 delegates are now needed to secure the nomination.

Before today: Obama 1,984.5 ... Clinton 1,784.5 ... (Obama needed 41.5)

Today-
Obama: 2047.5... additional 33.5 votes in Florida and 29.5 in Michigan.
Clinton: 1,871.5 ... 52.5 in Florida and 34.5 in Michigan.

Half-votes for superdelegates add 7.5 to Clinton's total and 3 to Obama's, bringing Obama within 67.5 delegates of securing the nomination.

Only 86 pledged delegates remain to be awarded:
55 in tomorrow's Puerto Rico primary and
31 total in the June 3 Montana and South Dakota primaries.

 
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Not happy!
The only resolution is... yes, let them have a punitive half vote... but a new ballot is essential for fairness.
weird
lot of people not happy by the sound of it.
Before the meeting this was discussed...( just talking about Michigan...)


As I understand it ( just talking about Michigan...

option 1. (Clinton)
HC 73 : BO 55, Hillary gets 18 delegate advantage

Option 2. (Obama)
HC 64 : BO 64, all square

Option 3. state party compromise
HC 69 : BO 59, Hillary gets 10 point advantage

So they end up with option 4 which treats the ompromise delegates as if they were half-votes .
option 4. HC 34.5 : BO 29.5, Hillary gets 5 point advantage.

of course people who voted for Hillary are gonna be pissed off that their votes have been "re'allocated".
Though likewise I see your point that the ones that were told by the party not to vote would also be pissed off. What a screw up lol.

Summary - a) please don't try to convince me that the US presidential voting system is superior to ours, and
b) if we can't come up with a better way to elect a president (in duke horse), I'll be a monkey's great-great nephew.

PS I agree with you - the only fair thing is a new ballot surely.
 
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Obama Quits His Church After Months of Criticism

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/01/u...em&ex=1212465600&en=77fc38fafcb7eaa6&ei=5087

Published: June 1, 2008

Barack is diplomatic as he asserts he is doing the parishioners a favour...


2020... there was a cartoon depicting the following on your clip on #555


No doubt when they live in 'public housing' in Washington DC.

They say the only constant is change.

... 'Change you can believe in' (sic)
 
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It's interesting to watch the net population of the US increase by one every 10 seconds as people are born/die/immigrate:

http://www.census.gov/population/www/popclockus.html


... ditto for the world: 6,671+ million ...though no immigration we know of!

http://www.census.gov/main/www/popclock.html


The clock ticks slower for Australia:

http://www.abs.gov.au/Ausstats/abs@.nsf/0/1647509ef7e25faaca2568a900154b63?OpenDocument


The US has 304 million people (plus the illegals...)

Australia has 21.3 million ... one more (net) every 1 min 37 sec.

So we are not likely to have the problem the US does, in assuring the voters know the nominees they may vote for.

Their method did not work in 2000 or 2004 because no-one cared to care so they didn't know what they'd get.
Now they care!

2020...
You have to admit though, if they had our Westminster system, Hillary would be the nominee!

Who knew Barack when this started?
So their system works for them!

Our media scrutiny suffices in our little country!
...and we have to vote.


btw... I chatted with James Valentine (ABC Sydney) at a dinner a few weeks ago (Gold Coast) and he assured me that he would inform his colleagues that Barack's name rhymed with 'ark' so they would pronounce it correctly!
... he had pronounced 'Barack' to rhyme with 'tack'.

He said China should be changed too as they don't call themselves 'China'...
 
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