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They were going to cross-train as submariners but we didn't have the subs.
Oh dear, we don't have the drones either.
I guess that explains why they went to the UK.
After all it wasn't to learn cricket from the Poms.

We Australians are "blessed" with the wisdom of Solomons, and will disable any opposition.
We won't go easy ....
 
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I guess we will just have to buy off the shelf, rather than re invent the wheel, you never know Bunnings might and start stocking them.
At least then we would get a no questions asked refund, if they turned out to be useless. ?
 
We don't have any drones? neither does the Ukraine, then as if by magic, WOW now they have drones.

U.S. Fast-Tracked ‘Phoenix Ghost’ Drone Being Sent to Ukraine​

  • Pentagon sees weapon as good fit for combat in eastern Ukraine
  • Drones are part of Biden’s $800 million package of weaponry
The latest $800 million package of weaponry President Joe Biden is sending Ukraine includes dozens of “Phoenix Ghost” drones the Pentagon says were expedited specifically to aid the fight against Russia.
 
SirRumpole said:
Subs ARE missile systems that can move around while being difficult to detect.

If you put missile systems on land then satellites can detect their locations pretty easily and you have to build massive bunkers to protect them.
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Rumpy, as we thought, here is an article for anyone that thinks the U.S isn't ahead of the game and satellites are obsolete.

‘Enormous impact’: US intelligence prevented the fall of Kyiv

In an unprecedented information-sharing operation, US spy agencies divulged the co-ordinates of Russian forces and aircraft to Ukrainian troops, allowing them to pre-empt attacks.
www.smh.com.au

Washington: America helped foil Moscow’s efforts to take Kyiv and repelled its advances elsewhere by sharing such detailed intelligence that Ukraine knew exactly when and where Russian bombs would fall, it has emerged.
In an unprecedented information-sharing operation, US spy agencies divulged the co-ordinates of Russian forces and aircraft to Ukrainian troops, allowing them to pre-empt attacks.
 
US has prepared to fight Russia for decades. All their armaments are specifically made to destroy Russian equipment.

The fact that they don't lose any US soldiers is a huge bonus. "Big War" is back it seems.
 
And China has twigged on to the game.

China has ordered central government agencies and state-backed corporations to replace foreign-branded personal computers with domestic alternatives within two years, marking one of Beijing’s most aggressive efforts so far to eradicate key overseas technology from within its most sensitive organs.
 
Australia to pay French company $830m for cancelling the $90billion diesel sub contract, what a bargain, Dan Andrews spent more than that cancelling the East West link road years ago.
Pay $830m now, or pay $90billion for scrap metal in 20 years time, a no brainer IMO.
It is a bit like the Government cancelling an order for a fleet of ICE vehicles to be delivered in 2040, times change, the earlier the contract is cancelled the better all round IMO.

‘An opportunity to join together’: Albanese to meet Macron after paying $830m to cancel subs

Asked about renewed ties, France’s defence minister noted: “In Australia, the previous majority was not re-elected and in France, Emmanuel Macron was re-elected”.
www.smh.com.au
Australia will pay French shipbuilder Naval Group an $830 million settlement after the federal government cancelled a $90-billion deal to purchase twelve French submarines.
The settlement “draws a line” under the scrapped deal, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese declared at a press conference in Sydney on Saturday morning.
 
Interesting that China claims Australia should not be allowed to have nuclear powered subs, as it is an act of aggression, yet they can fire missiles across another country while flicking the bird at everyone.
Obviously only the major powers have the right to throw their weight around, while smaller countries just have to hope they aren't the target.

Japan tells China to stop its military drills around Taiwan

China’s Foreign Ministry says it is halting cooperation with the US in eight areas after announcing sanctions on US House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and her family in retaliation for her visit.
www.theage.com.au
Singapore: Japanese Prime Minister Fumio Kishida has asked China to immediately stop its military exercises around Taiwan after five missiles flew over the island and landed in the ocean in Japan’s economic zone.
Japan’s entry into the dispute threatens to deepen an already volatile situation and escalate regional military competition in the South China Sea where China has other overlapping territorial claims.
 

Every time China does this sort of thing they reinforce their reputation as an arrogant bully , and other nations will band together to counter them.

If we (the West) had any guts, we would stop buying their cheap junk and not give them the money to buy more weapons.
 
That would be nice, except it wont happen remember sidchrome? When Bunnings etc started bringing in cheap Chinese tools the writing was on the wall, same with Holden, Ford, when Aussies could get a cheaper car from O/S the death knell was tolled.
 
sptrawler said:
That would be nice, except it wont happen remember sidchrome? When Bunnings etc started bringing in cheap Chinese tools the writing was on the wall, same with Holden, Ford, when Aussies could get a cheaper car from O/S the death knell was tolled.
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Yes, we have no guts as I said.

Sidchrome still seems to be in business.

Sidchrome 382 Piece Widebody Metric & AF Tool Set - SCMT10166 – Autotech Tools

Invest in Sidchrome and you get tools that are built for a life time. This Trolley is perfect for the workshop or garage with a wide range of tools to quip you for a wide range of jobs. Opt for a SCMT10166 and you get a storage solution known for its clever drawer configuration, sturdy...
www.autotechtools.com.au
 
Bought out by the Americans, now made in Taiwan, but they were struggling in a Chinese dominated sector as usual when tarrifs were reduced.

Sidchrome 70 Years

"The brand emerged when Royston Siddons' Siddons Drop Forgings Pty Ltd turned to tool making to fill post-war shortages after World War II. Original production of Sidchrome tools in Australia was in the Brunswick area in the city of Melbourne, Victoria. The Sidchrome brand built its reputation...
books.google.com.au

"The brand emerged when Royston Siddons' Siddons Drop Forgings Pty Ltd turned to tool making to fill post-war shortages after World War II. Original production of Sidchrome tools in Australia was in the Brunswick area in the city of Melbourne, Victoria.

The Sidchrome brand built its reputation with high quality products. Sidchrome until 1996 were manufactured in Australia, but since being acquired by The Stanley Works (named Stanley Black & Decker since 2010) production is now undertaken in Taiwan."--Wikipedia - viewed 7 February 2016.

This from the Australian Financial Review - December 1991.

MORE LIKELY TO FOLLOW SIDCHROME

Sidchrome Tools, one of Australia's leading manufacturing brand names, has been sold to the US manufacturing giant Stanley Tools in a $30 million deal.
www.afr.com

Sidchrome Tools, one of Australia's leading manufacturing brand names, has been sold to the US manufacturing giant Stanley Tools in a $30 million deal.

The transfer from Australian ownership of a leading manufacturing company is another indicator of the tough times the sector is enduring. Last week a survey by the NSW Chamber of Manufactures/State Bank NSW showed that about 28,000 Australian manufacturing jobs had been moved offshore in the past 12 months as companies moved production facilities, with the trend likely to continue.


We are starting to drift off thread and into waters that people don't like to remember, or have conveniently forgotten.
 
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Sounds as though Labor aren't changing direction regarding the nuclear subs.

$10 billion nuke sub base set for Aussie east coast​

Labor is backing a new military base for nuclear powered submarines on Australia’s east coast. Here’s where it could be built.
 

WOW who would have guessed? ?

Australia considering buying first few nuclear submarines from the US instead of building them onshore

There has been growing concern that Australia will not be able to build nuclear-powered submarines until the 2040s, opening up a major capability gap.
www.smh.com.au
Australia would buy nuclear submarines from the United States by the middle of the next decade to give it more time to be able to build the boats onshore under a plan being considered by the Albanese government.
There has been growing concern that Australia will not be able to build nuclear-powered submarines until the 2040s, despite the previous government insisting it could do it by 2036 under the AUKUS defence pact with the US and Britain.
 
I have been reading a few articles from defence specialists and am now thinking we should rethink nuclear subs. This article is an example.

Nuclear subs deal an exercise in futility and should be sunk

The decision to purchase eight nuclear-powered submarines will have profound implications for Australia, with little or no military or defence benefit.
www.theage.com.au
 
It's a bit like ASF, just another opinion, to think the Collins class would even get to a Chineses invassion fleet is fancifull, let alone think they could inflict any damage before being sunk.
They are noisier than a Harley with straight throughs, a mate actually served on them and he thought they were a joke 15 years ago.
 
Have a read of the article.
 
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