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It looks as though the U.K, U.S and Australian alliance, might have been a good move, when you get those who really have never been friendly saying it was a bad move.
Maybe they were happy with us sitting here, until such times as they were ready to ask us to move on?
How they can feel threatened, when we are sitting down here on our own in the middle of nowhere is ludicrous, if anyone should feel threatened it's us and NZ IMO. ?
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Maybe they were happy with us sitting here, until such times as they were ready to ask us to move on?
How they can feel threatened, when we are sitting down here on our own in the middle of nowhere is ludicrous, if anyone should feel threatened it's us and NZ IMO. ?
North Korea's daunting threat to Australia: 'Dangerous act'
North Korea is not happy with Australia's latest move calling it 'extremely undesirable'. Read more.
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As I said in post #31, I didn't think it would take long, the deployment of naval personnel and naval excercises to familiarise staff, will ramp up very quickly.
I worked for the U.S Navy for a couple of years and one thing they do, is throw all the resources required at it, whether it works out is another thing. But it wont be from lack of resources or effort. ?
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Keating,
"The US submarine decision was not just about under-sea warfare, it was about donating eight submarines paid for by us to the command of the United States, as an integral part of its Pacific fleet. Try and think of another country that would do anything this submissive."
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"The US submarine decision was not just about under-sea warfare, it was about donating eight submarines paid for by us to the command of the United States, as an integral part of its Pacific fleet. Try and think of another country that would do anything this submissive."
A relic of a bygone age? I might be, but I’m not a defeatist
The Coalition is not only turning over control of our defence forces to the US, but shopping our foreign policy too.
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I had a client whose husband was a submariner during the cold war, unfortunately now deceased.
I had many long discussions with him about his time in the subs... He was a sufferer of severe PTSD as a result of those times. A lot of the stuff he told me I'm sure it was probably classified and truly scary about what was only really a few minutes away from
potentially happening at any time.
The scariest thing was, as the sonar dude, he served on many American subs... Apparently the sonar systems were of Australian design... That doomsday clock as it turns out was pretty accurate.
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Interesting coming from Keating, it just shows how people's perceptions of, respect, submissiveness and groveling can be different , he and Hawke copped the wrath of the public for wanting to fly the Governments flags at half mast when Hirohito died, guess it all boils back to personal perceptions and beliefs.Keating,
"The US submarine decision was not just about under-sea warfare, it was about donating eight submarines paid for by us to the command of the United States, as an integral part of its Pacific fleet. Try and think of another country that would do anything this submissive."
A relic of a bygone age? I might be, but I’m not a defeatist
The Coalition is not only turning over control of our defence forces to the US, but shopping our foreign policy too.
Australians protest Hirohito flag order - UPI Archives
Flags at government facilities were lowered to half staff across Australia Friday to mark the funeral of Japanese Emperor Hirohito, sparking strikes and...
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Government Bows To Pressure From War Veterans On Lowering Flag
CANBERRA, Australia (AP) _ Outraged war veterans forced the government to back down today on its decision to fly the national flag at half-staff over the Australian War Memorial during Friday's funeral in Japan for Emperor Hirohito. Prime Minister Bob Hawke intervened after a wave of...
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Most Countries the size of ours, as sparsely populated as ours and as remote as ours. Would probably jump at the opportunity to obtain state of the art military equipment IMO. I can't think of many Countries that the U.S and the U.K would tie a similar alliance with, as Trump said the EU has been on the U.S apron strings since the second world war.
My guess is the silent majority will think the alliance and the subs is a positive, the Collins class subs were a joke and always ridiculed by the press and public, when the French subs were announced they copped a lot of media flack also.
I think that debacle dated back to Tony Abbotts time in the big chair and from memory he copped heaps over the Japanese diesel subs idea.
Then Turnbull threw that out and went with the French, which has been another fiasco.
The U.S/U.K subs make absolute sense, if you are going to have subs at all, at least they will be state of the art not just another underwater coffin that makes more noise than an tanker. ?
Just my opinion.
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The subs make no sense, except as Keating explained.
These subs cannot be owned by Australia unless we break the Nuclear Nonproliferation Act and set a precedent for every other nation in the world to operate nuclear subs.
The deal will not create more jobs and we won't have the skillsets to maintain them. That's aside from not having anyone capable of operating them unless our crews are drawn significantly from overseas submariners.
Strategically the idea is not sound, especially given that the rationale for the original decision was based on diesel subs being the best suited to serve Australia’s defence interests in Asian waters because of their ability to go quiet so quickly and remain undetected through observation of heat trails.
- We do not need long range submarines unless operating well outside our sphere of influence
- Neither Indonesia nor Malaysia are pleased with AUKUS, and it's questionable why we are not instead partnering with the nations between China and Australia for defence compacts, rather than the very distant USA and UK!
- We also need more nimble (non-nuclear) submarines if we intend to operate in the shallower waters around SE Asian nations
- We will have a gap in submarine capacity for over 20 years, yet the oft vaunted China peril is more immediate
- The few submarines we will have do not have the capability of defending our massive shoreline, so it looks like we are putting our eggs into a basket riddled with holes
- Is the the rationale for our submarine purchase defence or offence?
- Our submarine base in south west Australia is strategically inappropriate
- Communicating with subs is very difficult, unless they are near surface, defeating their purpose. This is important as in today's world situations change quickly and having submarine actions based on day or week old orders is not desirable.
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As I said, "if you need subs at all", I'm definitely not a fan of subs.
But then again, I don't profess to be an expert on military strategies.
As for Keating, he as many other ex P.Ms , seem to have a much higher opinion of their council than others do. There was a reason he only served one term.
But then again, I don't profess to be an expert on military strategies.
As for Keating, he as many other ex P.Ms , seem to have a much higher opinion of their council than others do. There was a reason he only served one term.
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Unfortunately Keating is not the only one raising the issues.
The handling of the French was a major blunder and as Keating points out the only western partner that has assets in our back yard to defend, the Frogs wont forget.
The handling of the French was a major blunder and as Keating points out the only western partner that has assets in our back yard to defend, the Frogs wont forget.
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Maybe the Frogs (and I'm speaking here of the government not the ordinary folk) have already forgotten the contribution Australians have made to their nation.... With our blood, not our money.
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Like I said earlier, the frogs never cut the UK any slack, when they wanted out of the EU.
And if the frogs owe anyone any loyalty, its the U.K.
Keating was that far up Asia butt, he needed a snorel IMO.
It was on his watch we lost our manufacturing, now all of a sudden he is going on about our manufacturing, give me a break.
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China Announces New Nuclear Submarines Won’t Be Allowed To Dock At Their Port In Darwin
China’s port in Darwin will be off-limits to our new nuclear submarines.
The announcement was made today via state media in Beijing with the government suggesting that the ban is over environmental concerns similar to those harboured by the New Zealand Government.
The move has blindsided Acting Prime Minister Barnaby Joyce, who told The Advocate today that he was very disappointed by the decision.
“Apparently, the Chinese Government tried to call us last night but nobody was at the office,” said Joyce.
“Anyway, it was bloody immature of these Chinese to just bloody spring that on us with no warning. Shithouse at diplomacy they are.”
China Announces New Nuclear Submarines Won't Be Allowed To Dock At Their Port In Darwin
More to come.
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Now that is a classic. Lol
The frogs probably have petrol.....
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And nuclear, I think it is the French nuclear power stations, that is keeping the lights on at the moment over in Europe.
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First submarines, now helicopters. The French and others will be disappointed (again);
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US reveals plan to sell Australia 12 military helicopters in $1.3b deal
The Royal Australian Navy is set to dump its troubled fleet of European-made MRH 90 Taipan helicopters, replacing them with 12 US-made Seahawks in a deal worth around $1.3 billion.
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First submarines, now helicopters. The French and others will be disappointed (again);
US reveals plan to sell Australia 12 military helicopters in $1.3b deal
The Royal Australian Navy is set to dump its troubled fleet of European-made MRH 90 Taipan helicopters, replacing them with 12 US-made Seahawks in a deal worth around $1.3 billion.
In the event of a difficult situation it is highly likely that our main ally will be the USA, it makes sense to be using the same equipment.
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The frogs seem quick to forget, how many Aussies are buried in their back yard.
We p1ssed them off during the whole mururoa atoll testing before. This time is kind of ironic as we go nukeThe frogs seem quick to forget, how many Aussies are buried in their back yard.
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