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I think it will give the uranium stocks another leg up.
I think it will give the uranium stocks another leg up.The Canadians are freaking out that the US, UK and AS are doing this. The Canucks are in integral part of ABCA Armies and Five Eyes and arguably an even closer ally to the US than us. A lot of people will think they've been left out. I think they may have been part of the initial discussions on this but there's no way Trudeau would have joined this gang. Unless they painted the subs in rainbow colours perhaps...
I heard on the ABC from one of the generals that they still have the plans to upgrade Collins Class. Also they are hoping to get the nuclear subs by 2035 which is as you posted when we would get our new French sub due to all the delaysI see France is upset, well let's not get too upset, they don't hold any punches when upsetting all and sundry. ?
Let's be honest, what has the French sub contractor done in the last 5 years?
French submarine deal with Australia was in troubled waters before AUKUS
The $40 billion contract was one of the largest military export deals in 2016www.theweek.in
Emmanuel Macron has good reason to feel angry and deceived by Australia
Overnight, Paris has gone from viewing Australia as a friend and ally to a nation which can’t be trusted.www.smh.com.au
History of delay
Despite the French protests, there had been indications of problems with the Attack submarine project for several years now. Australian media reports have indicated there were concerns in Canberra about extent of workshare given to Australian companies by Naval Group and delivery timelines and costs.
In January, media reports indicated the cost of the Attack submarine project had risen from Australian dollar 50 billion to nearly Australian dollar 89 billion (US $65 billion). While the first submarines were originally intended to enter service by the "early 2030s", in November 2018, vice admiral Michael Noonan, the chief of the Royal Australian Navy, admitted the first ship may not be operational until 2035.
The last submarine would have entered service by 2050, according to the delayed timeline. The delays had raised concern about the relevance of the new ships, particularly given the continuing growth of China's navy and also Beijing's development of unmanned underwater vessels
Ever since news of delays in the submarine project surfaced, Australian politicians and analysts had called for Canberra to junk the deal and examine buying nuclear submarines from the US.
According to the US Congressional Research Service report on China's naval modernisation in September, as of 2020, China had 46 diesel-electric submarines, six nuclear-attack submarines and four nuclear submarines meant to carry nuclear-armed ballistic missiles. The Royal Australian Navy currently has a fleet of six 'Collins' class submarines that were inducted in the late 1990s and are based on a Swedish design. The delays in the Attack programme had led to calls to upgrade the Collins class submarines.
I guess being out here in the middle of nowhere, in a big country full of keenly sought raw materials, we have to be up someone's butt. ?How far up US arse do we have to crawl. The US took advantage of China stopping trade with Australia. They came in and filled the void that we left. And a big part was that scomo decided to mouth off for the US, that had zero benefit for us.
Scomo is an Idiotic turd. All this does is put us in a worse position. We are the ones that will suffer the most for the US playing war games through Asia.
We lose more trade and guarantee that US fills more void.
Pretty much what Paul Keating said. Especially about tying us to USA closer.How far up US arse do we have to crawl. The US took advantage of China stopping trade with Australia. They came in and filled the void that we left. And a big part was that scomo decided to mouth off for the US, that had zero benefit for us.
Scomo is an Idiotic turd. All this does is put us in a worse position. We are the ones that will suffer the most for the US playing war games through Asia.
We lose more trade and guarantee that US fills more void.
Militarily speaking there is a limit to what a country of 20 million people can do against a country of 1 billion.How far up US arse do we have to crawl. The US took advantage of China stopping trade with Australia. They came in and filled the void that we left. And a big part was that scomo decided to mouth off for the US, that had zero benefit for us.
Scomo is an Idiotic turd. All this does is put us in a worse position. We are the ones that will suffer the most for the US playing war games through Asia.
We lose more trade and guarantee that US fills more void.
My guess is, if China's expansion plans could include a non military takeover of Australia, why wouldn't they? They can install the population and infrastructure to develop Australia's to its potential, all that stands between them and doing it is a small arrogant, self opinionated population. Not being nasty, but being realistic.Pretty much what Paul Keating said. Especially about tying us to USA closer.
I don't think China is going to be nice to us anyway after we stupidly mouthed off a while back.
We need nuclear subs. Maybe we could have got them from France, who we have really pissed off. We pissed of Japan also but they seem to have forgiven us.
This pact ties Australia to any US military engagement against China
It amounts to dramatic loss of sovereignty, writes the former Australian prime minister.www.theage.com.au
I'd go one step further and say, I don't believe their going to take so long.I can not believe that they're going to take so long to get the first boats built and persisted with all built in Adelaide.
I can not believe that they're going to take so long to get the first boats built and persisted with all built in Adelaide. It's going to take too long. A better plan may be to put an initial order in for the next 4 available Virginia Class boats (US is only building 2 per year) and in the mean time we develop our capability to build our own in SA. In the mean time we send engineering teams to Newport News for on the job training and start putting our own sub mariners on the US boats for training and experience. By the time the first boat is delivered by the US we could have an entire crew ready to go. Then, repeat.
These things are only $3-5b MOTS.
Yes piss drinking bogans clicking their fingers for another Bintang, is a much better image, as caring sharing neighbours.lolCouple of problems with subs. First off I'm not sure we can crew that many of them. You are out to sea in a hot cramped tin can. Personally if you want protection then build nukes if you don't mind an arms race. I don't trust the US in having our interest at heart. Or even its ability or stomach to protect us if it goes wrong.
In saying that, I doubt much of China's army would die for their government at the moment. However.... there's a reason Xi has decided to roll out a program to brainwash this generation of Chinese kids to love government and country. In the future China is definitely planning on some major expansion.
Scomo parading around like a golden buttplug is only enforcing our image as 'outsiders' in Asia.
I've never been in the military but I've had a look on a couple of subs in the past. Proper ones albeit not actually going anywhere just docked.You are out to sea in a hot cramped tin can.
2 years and tourism is missing us.Yes piss drinking bogans clicking their fingers for another Bintang, is a much better image, as caring sharing neighbours.lol
Yes, we are generally a lot nicer than some other countries tourists.2 years and tourism is missing us.
I've never been in the military but I've had a look on a couple of subs in the past. Proper ones albeit not actually going anywhere just docked.
They're not quite as cramped as I was expecting but there sure isn't much space inside.
It would need the right sort of person (mentally) to serve on board one I think. Might be alright at first but it would get to people after a while.
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